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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    You know that list deserves a like because of the shear effort you have put in to it

    I don't agree with loads of it tho
    LOL, no one will! I started it here back in 2003 and have updated it every four year since, so it does get a little easier to do each time.
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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    No Mike Tyson??

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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    No Mike Tyson??
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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    Sullivan seems far down the list but definitely a solid effort. I was going to ask you how long it took you but you said you started in 03 do you use an algorithm

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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    That's a bloody tremendous effort. Thank you!
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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Sullivan seems far down the list but definitely a solid effort. I was going to ask you how long it took you but you said you started in 03 do you use an algorithm
    In 2003 I worked a list of 'best fighters' for each division, as well as 'best fighters' of each decade. I have kept most of these lists, but now generally just work off the previous top 100. Using previous work to place a 'new entrant' if I believe no modern contemporaries can fill the role.
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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    Here is some of the stuff I used as well old lists. Remember some of it is over a decade old:


    All-time Super Middleweights:
    1 Joe Calzaghe
    2 Chong Pal Park
    3 Roy Jones Jr
    4 Nigel Benn
    5 Chris Eubank
    6 Steve Collins
    7 Sven Ottke
    8 James Toney
    9 Frankie Liles
    10 Byron Mitchell

    Mentions: Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Thulani Malinga, Charles Brewster, Richie Woodhall, Eric Lucas and Mikkel Kessler

    Middleweights:

    40 Paul Pender
    39 Thomas Hearns
    38 Rocky Graziano
    37 Randy Turpin
    36 Mike McCallum
    35 Georges Carpentier
    34 Les Darcy
    33 Al McCoy
    32 Fred Apostolio
    31 Sambu Kalambay
    30 Tiger Flowers
    29 Gene Fullmer
    28 Rodrigo Valdez
    27 Dick Tiger
    26 Bob Fitzsimmons
    25 James Toney
    24 Michael Nunn
    23 Jack 'Twin' Sullivan
    22 Mike O'Dowd
    21 Jake LaMotta
    20 Freddie Steele
    19 Marcel Thil
    18 Gorilla Jones
    17 Sammy Langford
    16 Emile Griffith
    15 Joey Giardello
    14 Kid McCoy
    13 Nino Benvenuti
    12 Tony Zale
    11 Marcel Cerdan
    10 Roy Jones
    9 Jack Dempsey
    8 Harry Greb
    7 Marvin Hagler
    6 Bernard Hopkins
    5 Mickey Walker
    4 Charley Burley
    3 Stanley Ketchel
    2 Ray Robinson
    1 Carlos Monzon

    Mentions:
    Young CorbettIII
    'Bobo' Olson
    Carmen Basilio
    Terry Downes
    Vito Antuofermo
    Alan Minter
    Iran Barkley
    Julian Jackson
    Gerald McClellan
    Reggie Johnson
    Felix Trinidad

    Junior Middleweights

    10 Sandro Mazzinghi
    9 Gianfranco Rosi
    8 Wilfred Benitez
    7 Ray Leonard
    6 Emile Griffith
    5 Terry Norris
    4 Felix Trinidad
    3 Winky Wright
    2 Mike McCallum
    1 Tommy Hearns

    Mentions: Denny Moyer, Nino Benvenuti, Ki Soo Kim, Koichi Wajima, Ayub Kalule, Maurice Hope, Roberto Duran, Julian Jackson, John David Jackson, Julio Cesar Vazquez, Harry Simon, Oscar de la Hoya and Shane Mosley

    Top 10 welters

    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Ray Leonard
    3 Kid Gavilan
    4 Emile Griffith
    5 Henry Armstrong
    6 Jose Napoles
    7 Felix Trinidad
    8 Oscar De La Hoya
    9 Thomas Hearns
    10 Carmen Bassillo

    Mentions to: Tommy Ryan, 'Mysterious' Billy Smith, 'The original' Joe Walcott, Mike Sullivan, Jack Britton, Ted 'Kid' Lewis, Mickey Walker, Jackie Fields, Barney Ross, Jim McLarnin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Benny 'Kid' Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Roberto Duran, Don Curry, Marlon Starling, Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley

    Junior Welterweights:


    10 Floyd Mayweather Jr
    9 Ricky Hatton
    8 Oscar de la Hoya
    7 Meldrick Taylor
    6 Julio Cesar Chavez
    5 Nicolino Loche
    4 Kostya Tszyu
    3 Aaron Pryor
    2 Wilfred Benitez
    1 Antonio Cervantes

    Mentions: Pinkey Mitchell, Jackie Berg, Mushy Callahan, Tony Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Carlos Ortiz, Duilio Loi, Saoul Mamby, Patrizio Oliva, Roger Mayweather, Buddy McGirt, Pernell Whitaker, Frankie Randall, Juan Martin Coggi, Vince Phillips, Zab Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell
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    Top 10 fighters from 1891-1900

    10 Pedlar Palmer
    9 Jack Dempsey
    8 James J Corbett
    7 Peter Jackson
    6 Young Griffo
    5 Terry McGovern
    4 James J Jeffries
    3 Jack McAuliffe
    2 Bob Fitzsimmons
    1 George Dixon

    Mentions:

    Billy Plimmer, , Billy Murphy, Ben Jordan, George Lavigne, Joe Walcott, Tommy Ryan, Mysterious Billy Smith, Kid McCoy and John L Sullivan

    Top 10 fighters from 1901 to 1910

    10 Tommy Ryan
    9 Jim Driscoll
    8 James J Jeffries
    7 Joe Walcott
    6 Stanley Ketchel
    5 Terry McGovern
    4 Jack Johnson
    3 Sammy Langford
    2 Abe Attell
    1 Joe Gans

    Mentions:

    Owen Moran, Jimmy Walsh, Ben Jordan, Young CorbettII, Battling Nelson, Jack Sullivan, Billy Papke, Bob Fitzsimmons, Jack O’Brien and Tommy Burns

    Top 10 fighters 1911 to 1920

    10 Jim Driscoll
    9 Harry Wills
    8 Jack Johnson
    7 Benny Leonard
    6 Freddie Welsh
    5 Jack Britton
    4 Ted Lewis
    3 Georges Carpentier
    2 Johnny Kilbane
    1 Jimmy Wilde

    Mentions:

    Kid Williams, Pete Herman, Abe Attell, Ad Wolgast, Dixie Kid, Mike Gibbons, Les Darcy, Mike O’Dowd, Sammy Langford, Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Sam McVey, Joe Jeanette and Jack Dempsey


    Top 10 fighters 1921 to 1930

    10 Sammy Mandell
    9 Harry Wills
    8 Jack Dempsey
    7 Al Brown
    6 Tommy Loughran
    5 Gene Tunney
    4 Pancho Villa
    3 Harry Greb
    2 Mickey Walker
    1 Benny Leonard

    Mentions:

    Jimmy Wilde, Fidel la Barba, Johnny Kilbane, Johnny Dundee, Kid Kaplan, Benny Bass, Tony Canzoneri, Bat Battalino, Pinkey Mitchell, Jackie Berg, Jack Britton, Joe Dundee, Jackie Fields, Tiger Flowers, Georges Carpentier, Jack Delaney and Maxie Rosenbloom

    Top 10 fighters 1931 to 1940

    10 Jimmy McLarnin
    9 Jackie Berg
    8 Benny Lynch
    7 Billy Conn
    6 Tony Canzoneri
    5 Mickey Walker
    4 Barney Ross
    3 Maxie Rosenbloom
    2 Joe Louis
    1 Henry Armstrong

    Mentions:

    Midget Wolgast, Jackie Brown, Little Dado, Al Brown, Kid Chocolate, Baby Arizmendi, Freddie Miller, Joey Archibald, Jackie Fields, Lou Ambers, Fritzie Zivic, Charley Burley, Gorilla Jones, Marcel Thil, Freddie Steele, John Henry Lewis, Max Schmeling, Max Baer and James J Braddock

    Top 10 fighters 1941 to 1950

    10 Jake LaMotta
    9 Rinty Monaghan
    8 Sandy Saddler
    7 Manuel Ortiz
    6 Joe Louis
    5 Ezzard Charles
    4 Ike Williams
    3 Charley Burley
    2 Willie Pep
    1 Ray Robinson

    Mentions:

    Jackie Paterson, Vic Toweel, Sammy Angott, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Tippy Larkin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Tommy Bell, Tony Zale, Rocky Graziano, Marcel Cerdan, Gus Lesnevich, Freddie Mills, Archie Moore and Billy Conn

    Top 10 fighters 1951 to 1960

    10 Floyd Patterson
    9 Carmen Bassilio
    8 Jimmy Curruthers
    7 Kid Gavilan
    6 Rocky Marciano
    5 Pascual Perez
    4 Joe Brown
    3 Sandy Saddler
    2 Archie Moore
    1 Ray Robinson

    Mentions:

    Dado Marino, Alphonse Halimi, Willie Pep, Hogan Kid Bassey, Davey Moore, Carlos Ortiz, Don Jordan, Bobo Olson, Gene Fullmer, Joey Maxim, Harold Johnson, Jersey Joe Walcott and Ingemar Johansson

    Top 10 fighters 1961 to 1970

    10 Dick Tiger
    9 Nicolino Loche
    8 Bob Foster
    7 Jose Napoles
    6 Vincente Saldivar
    5 Muhammad Ali
    4 Nino Benvenuti
    3 Carlos Ortiz
    2 Eder Jofre
    1 Emile Griffith

    Mentions:

    Pone Kingpetch, Fighting Harada, Lionel Rose, Ruben Olivares, Davey Moore, Sugar Ramos, Flash Elorde, Ismael Laguna, Duilio Loi, Benny Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Curtis Cokes, Ki-Soo Kim, Joey Giardello, Carlos Monzon, Willie Pastrano, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston and Joe Frazier
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    Default Re: My 2015 list of the top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    No Mike Tyson??
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    My apologies. I must've gone through it 5 times and never saw it. A lot of effort put into that. Fair play , I couldn't have done it.
    I have to say it's impossible to do because there's virtually no footage of the old fighters, and probably too much footage of the modern guys. It almost works against today's guys, because we're bound to find some "bad days at the office."
    Good work.

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