Republican Candidate Poll

[Kirkland Laing]

Agreed his a bullshitting politician but they did finance, albiet favorable, their own money. NYT runs this hit pieced but fluffs every Clinton piece. Makes me wonder. There is no doubt that Cruz is american. If I were born outside the us by a legal citizen, I am american. John mcain was born in panama, did we hear this shit then.

The NYT have published several articles just recently that were completely inaccurate hit pieces on Hillary Clinton including one that said she was now the target of a criminal investigation by the FBI. This made headlines all over America for a couple of days and then was quietly retracted. The article about Cruz being given millions in loans and then lying about it and not publicly declaring the loans is entirely accurate though.

McCain was born on a US military base which is American territory. Lawrence Tribe, emeritus professor of constitutional law at harvard says Cruz may very well not be an American citizen. Tribe is the top law expert in the country and taught constitutional law to a bunch of prominent Americans including the current US Supreme Court Chief Justice, Barack Obama and Ted Cruz.

I have to say that if you'd told me ten years ago that America would soon elect a Kenyan president and follow it by electing a Canadian president I wouldn't have believed you. But now there's a good chance that a Mexican-Canadian could be elected US president in November.

[Kirkland Laing]

Interesting reading. The guy who runs this site exactly predicted state by state the results of the last two prsidential elections.

Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters

By Nate Silver


Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters | FiveThirtyEight




Beware A GOP Calendar Front-Loaded With States Friendly To Trump And Cruz | FiveThirtyEight




Silver a couple of weeks ago was giving Trump a 2% chance of winning the nomination.

[walrus]

Agreed his a bullshitting politician but they did finance, albiet favorable, their own money. NYT runs this hit pieced but fluffs every Clinton piece. Makes me wonder. There is no doubt that Cruz is american. If I were born outside the us by a legal citizen, I am american. John mcain was born in panama, did we hear this shit then.

The NYT have published several articles just recently that were completely inaccurate hit pieces on Hillary Clinton including one that said she was now the target of a criminal investigation by the FBI. This made headlines all over America for a couple of days and then was quietly retracted. The article about Cruz being given millions in loans and then lying about it and not publicly declaring the loans is entirely accurate though.

McCain was born on a US military base which is American territory. Lawrence Tribe, emeritus professor of constitutional law at harvard says Cruz may very well not be an American citizen. Tribe is the top law expert in the country and taught constitutional law to a bunch of prominent Americans including the current US Supreme Court Chief Justice, Barack Obama and Ted Cruz.

I have to say that if you'd told me ten years ago that America would soon elect a Kenyan president and follow it by electing a Canadian president I wouldn't have believed you. But now there's a good chance that a Mexican-Canadian could be elected US president in November.

Statuary law says he is an american, no doubt

[walrus]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

[Beanz]

So being endorsed by Palin is supposedly a good thing ? Did they find Trump and Sarah backstage at the Jerry Springer Show ? It would be quite funny if not so serious. We have a cliched fox hunting Eton honed toffee nosed snob running the show here, and it looks like you may give the keys to your asylum to another equally caricatured inmate who surely represents very few average citizens. Good luck with that.

[walrus]

So being endorsed by Palin is supposedly a good thing ? Did they find Trump and Sarah backstage at the Jerry Springer Show ? It would be quite funny if not so serious. We have a cliched fox hunting Eton honed toffee nosed snob running the show here, and it looks like you may give the keys to your asylum to another equally caricatured inmate who surely represents very few average citizens. Good luck with that.

Who are you?

[X]

Crazed loon endorsed by pouting simpleton.

[walrus]

Crazed loon endorsed by pouting simpleton.

It puts him back in the news cycle, which he hasn't left.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

I'm going to go with the considered opinion of the Harvard Emeritus Professor of Constitutional Law. A Mexican-Canadian may be the next President.

[walrus]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

I'm going to go with the considered opinion of the Harvard Emeritus Professor of Constitutional Law. A Mexican-Canadian may be the next President.

So one professor against current law. You sound more like trump everyday.

[X]

If Americans were willing to accept that John McEnroe is an American, then they should up use the same logic to admit that these guys are Americans too!

[Gandalf]

Very good presentation from Molyneux pointing out all the media lies and distortions about Trump. The media are a sad lot. A bunch of trolls who manipulate the words of others to perpetuate the status quo and desperately cling on to their careers. It hasn't always been this way but contemporary mainstream media is dire.

The more I factually hear about Trump, the more he seems reasonable, certainly put aside the other drones who rely on Goldman Sachs handouts. It's a corrupt system, but at least Trump can just be himself.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

I'm going to go with the considered opinion of the Harvard Emeritus Professor of Constitutional Law. A Mexican-Canadian may be the next President.

So one professor against current law. You sound more like trump everyday.

Ah but it's not current law. It's a murky area that has never been adjudicated in court.


There’s more than meets the eye in the ongoing dustup over whether Ted Cruz is eligible to serve as president, which under the Constitution comes down to whether he’s a “natural born citizen” despite his 1970 Canadian birth. Senator Cruz contends his eligibility is “settled” by naturalization laws Congress enacted long ago. But those laws didn’t address, much less resolve, the matter of presidential eligibility, and no Supreme Court decision in the past two centuries has ever done so. In truth, the constitutional definition of a “natural born citizen” is completely unsettled, as the most careful scholarship on the question has concluded. Needless to say, Cruz would never take Donald Trump’s advice to ask a court whether the Cruz definition is correct, because that would in effect confess doubt where Cruz claims there is certainty.
People are entitled to their own opinions about what the definition ought to be. But the kind of judge Cruz says he admires and would appoint to the Supreme Court is an “originalist,” one who claims to be bound by the narrowly historical meaning of the Constitution’s terms at the time of their adoption. To his kind of judge, Cruz ironically wouldn’t be eligible, because the legal principles that prevailed in the 1780s and ’90s required that someone actually be born on US soil to be a “natural born” citizen. Even having two US parents wouldn’t suffice. And having just an American mother, as Cruz did, would have been insufficient at a time that made patrilineal descent decisive.


[...]


When Cruz was my constitutional law student at Harvard, he aced the course after making a big point of opposing my views in class — arguing stridently for sticking with the “original meaning” against the idea of a more elastic “living Constitution” whenever such ideas came up. I enjoyed jousting with him, but Ted never convinced me — nor did I convince him.
At least he was consistent in those days. Now, he seems to be a fair weather originalist, abandoning that method’s narrow constraints when it suits his ambition


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...GoK/story.html

[walrus]

It is murky, but he is an american citizen. What is truly murky is birthrite citizenship. If an american couple have a child while traveling in China, the child is not automatically a Chinese citizen, he or she is a. American citizen. Reverse the couple, Chinese citizens have a baby in the us, the child is american.

Since Cruz is a citizen, it would be highly unlikely his citizenship would be revoked. Laws can't be ex post facto but a ruling by the courts could change it for future generations. As for Cruz, the argument is moot. He is currently a citizen and that ain't gonna change, sorry.