Shane Mosley's thoughts on a GGG-Canelo fight

[p4pking]

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

[TitoFan]

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Why is weight so critical for a Canelo/GGG fight? GGG has been saying for years that he can make 154, so what's wrong with 155? GGGs fans have been saying for years that he is a small MW in spite of his 30 day weigh ins. If he is small and can make 154 then it shouldn't matter. Why talk about how big Canelo is then say GGG needs the weight higher? All these things seem contradictory.

I don't like Canelo and I definitely don't like the 155 BS but if GGG is so small as has been claimed forever(in spite of him saying he will go to 168 for various weaker opponents) it shouldn't matter. If GGG is so small at 5'10 and Canelo is so big at 5'7 as has been claimed then a lower weight should favor the oh so tiny GGG. Or perhaps GGG just isn't as oh so tiny as fans claim.(which would be supported by the fact he fought at a higher weight than now over a decade ago)

[TitoFan]

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Why is weight so critical for a Canelo/GGG fight? GGG has been saying for years that he can make 154, so what's wrong with 155? GGGs fans have been saying for years that he is a small MW in spite of his 30 day weigh ins. If he is small and can make 154 then it shouldn't matter. Why talk about how big Canelo is then say GGG needs the weight higher? All these things seem contradictory.

I don't like Canelo and I definitely don't like the 155 BS but if GGG is so small as has been claimed forever(in spite of him saying he will go to 168 for various weaker opponents) it shouldn't matter. If GGG is so small at 5'10 and Canelo is so big at 5'7 as has been claimed then a lower weight should favor the oh so tiny GGG. Or perhaps GGG just isn't as oh so tiny as fans claim.(which would be supported by the fact he fought at a higher weight than now over a decade ago)

I've never heard any of those claims by GGG. All I've ever heard is I'll only fight at 160. In fact, he's been at 160 since Day One. That he should have to drop to 155 for Canelo is ludicrous. I don't like Canelo either.... and I'm dying for him to fight an elite fighter his own size. Canelo at 155 is like a woman trying to squeeze into a pair of jeans two sizes too small. She'll eventually get into them, but she'll be busting at the seams. Man up and fight at your natural weight.

[IamInuit]

Why is weight so critical for a Canelo/GGG fight? GGG has been saying for years that he can make 154, so what's wrong with 155? GGGs fans have been saying for years that he is a small MW in spite of his 30 day weigh ins. If he is small and can make 154 then it shouldn't matter. Why talk about how big Canelo is then say GGG needs the weight higher? All these things seem contradictory.

I don't like Canelo and I definitely don't like the 155 BS but if GGG is so small as has been claimed forever(in spite of him saying he will go to 168 for various weaker opponents) it shouldn't matter. If GGG is so small at 5'10 and Canelo is so big at 5'7 as has been claimed then a lower weight should favor the oh so tiny GGG. Or perhaps GGG just isn't as oh so tiny as fans claim.(which would be supported by the fact he fought at a higher weight than now over a decade ago)

Why? Are you serious? Well why did Alvarez get a 160 title on false pretenses and why does he continue to defend it fraudulently? Why should Golovkin do squat when its the 160 division and he's the real champion? How is it Alvarez is above Golovkin in Ring magazine and other rankings using a fraudulent piece of paper? Why cant Alvarez defend the 160 title at 160 when he walks to the ring heavier then Golovkin does. He's 175 on fight night. Who is the bigger man? How can this guy even consider himself to be a middleweight champion. Perhaps he's to stupid to be embarrassed. Tell that WBC baby brat to fight at 160 or leave the fucking division PERIOD!

I'm glad that K2 has told them its at 160 or vacate because as a mandatory challenger he's not obligated to a fake weight.

[IamInuit]

Just in case anyone hadn't noticed this particular situation pisses me off like no other in this sport because its so blatant.

How can any reasonable hard core fan accept this horseshit even if one is in love with the guy? Aren’t people just sick of this kid? He's as big a fraud as Chavez Jr and people freakin lap it up. The facts don’t even matter. Its hilarious. How does something this plastic garner fan support? Boxing is supposed to be different then pro wrestling.

To paraphrase/borrow in part a line from Oswald Spengler, you know when boxing is in disastrous decline when its leadership and its structure becomes a caricature of itself





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[TitoFan]

Just in case anyone hadn't noticed this particular situation pisses me off like no other in this sport because its so blatant.

How can any reasonable hard core fan accept this horseshit even if one is in love with the guy? Aren’t people just sick of this kid? He's as big a fraud as Chavez Jr and people freakin lap it up. The facts don’t even matter. Its hilarious. How does something this plastic garner fan support? Boxing is supposed to be different then pro wrestling.

To paraphrase/borrow in part a line from Oswald Spengler, you know when boxing is in disastrous decline when its leadership and its structure becomes a caricature of itself





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[Fenster]

Mosley has sparred with Golovkin (it's on youtube). All he said is - Canelo/GGG are the same size so it's an even fight. Cotto is too small for GGG. Ward is too big.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Let's be honest GGG needs to fight Lara or Trout caliber opponents. His body of work is a joke and if it were not for his closing ability he would not be anybody. Fight at least one Marque name opponent in his prime and have a successful PPV then you can make demands. Right now he has zero leverage. I do not recall Pacquiao ever getting grilled for his cherry picking to this severity and he fought past their prime guys coming off losses in last 1-3 fights or catch weights . Most fall into those categories. So you may as well discredit Pac's accomplishments as well! JMM being the lone exception.

[TitoFan]

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Let's be honest GGG needs to fight Lara or Trout caliber opponents. His body of work is a joke and if it were not for his closing ability he would not be anybody. Fight at least one Marque name opponent in his prime and have a successful PPV then you can make demands. Right now he has zero leverage. I do not recall Pacquiao ever getting grilled for his cherry picking to this severity and he fought past their prime guys coming off losses in last 1-3 fights or catch weights . Most fall into those categories. So you may as well discredit Pac's accomplishments as well! JMM being the lone exception.

Name one fighter who GGG has ducked at 160. ONE. The fact that this guy doesn't have too many glittering names on his resume is hardly his fault. He's the 160-pound champion.... had fought at that division since the beginning.... and hasn't said no to anyone wanting to challenge him at that weight. Why should he cave to the prima donna Canelo and go down to 155? Everybody on planet Earth knows Canelo is AT LEAST a middleweight masquerading as a LMW. Why not just go up to 160 and quit the charade? Because he's afraid he'll get the freckles knocked off his face by GGG if he does.

[Mr140]

Cotto was the one that was scared of ggg and wanted a catch weight at mw and i did not hear anything out of you then. Canelo just got the belt after agreeing to the catch weight that cotto wanted so iguess the one to blame for this would be cotto being afraid of ggg.

[IamInuit]

Cotto was the one that was scared of ggg and wanted a catch weight at mw and i did not hear anything out of you then. Canelo just got the belt after agreeing to the catch weight that cotto wanted so iguess the one to blame for this would be cotto being afraid of ggg.

So? Both are bullshit. One does not justify the other. The facts dont even matter anymore which isn't surprising. The first thing this species does when fossil fuels melted the Northwest Passage was to use it as a quick shipping lane for coal and survey it for drilling. Why should boxing be any different?

[Mr140]

Cotto was the one that was scared of ggg and wanted a catch weight at mw and i did not hear anything out of you then. Canelo just got the belt after agreeing to the catch weight that cotto wanted so iguess the one to blame for this would be cotto being afraid of ggg.

So? Both are bullshit. One does not justify the other. The facts dont even matter anymore which isn't surprising. The first thing this species does when fossil fuels melted the Northwest Passage was to use it as a quick shipping lane for coal and survey it for drilling. Why should boxing be any different?

How many catch weights has Canelo asked for in his career none that i can think of. He has fought at all weights that were asked of him and he just won the belt so i think it is jumping the gun. What is it that yo u have against Canelo he has not asked for a catch weight yet.

[TitoFan]

Cotto was the one that was scared of ggg and wanted a catch weight at mw and i did not hear anything out of you then. Canelo just got the belt after agreeing to the catch weight that cotto wanted so iguess the one to blame for this would be cotto being afraid of ggg.

For the umpteenth time, kid. They can both be accused of avoiding GGG but at least Cotto has the excuse of being totally undersized. Canelo walks around at close to 180, yet shows his yellow streak by trying to force GGG down to 155.

And to put a cherry on top of the argument...... Canelo's next opponent has just been announced.
It's Amir Khan, FFS!!!

Listen..... I know you're going to continue to hold on to your juvenile crushes..... but Canelo is just indefensible.
Give it up.

[Violent Demise]

Cotto was the one that was scared of ggg and wanted a catch weight at mw and i did not hear anything out of you then. Canelo just got the belt after agreeing to the catch weight that cotto wanted so iguess the one to blame for this would be cotto being afraid of ggg.

For the umpteenth time, kid. They can both be accused of avoiding GGG but at least Cotto has the excuse of being totally undersized. Canelo walks around at close to 180, yet shows his yellow streak by trying to force GGG down to 155.

And to put a cherry on top of the argument...... Canelo's next opponent has just been announced.
It's Amir Khan, FFS!!!

Listen..... I know you're going to continue to hold on to your juvenile crushes..... but Canelo is just indefensible.
Give it up.

Let's see if I got this right. You had no problem with Cotto forcing the middleweight champion (Sergio Martinez) to fight at a catch-weight below the middleweight limit in order to make the fight. You had no problem with Cotto forcing Daniel Geale (who has been a full fledged middleweight since 2007) to fight at a catch-weight below the middleweight limit. And you had no problem with Cotto dictating the weight in the Alvarez fight. But you got a problem with Alvarez coming down in weight to fight Khan. Even though coming down benefits Khan more. Of course you do. Why? Cuz one is Puerto Rican. And the other one is Mexican. It's ok when the Puerto Rican does it. But when the Mexican does it your pussy starts hurting. I haven't seen such hypocrisy since I saw a Felix Trindad groupie call Orlando Salido a dirty fighter cuz he tends to go low on his punches