Hearn turns down title shot for AJ???

[Master]

AJ has not gone the distance yet and still needs more experience. Just because Wilder did it does not mean AJ should follow the same silly path.

[Fenster]

We do have an idea of how good Martin is - there's a few fights of him on youtube duffing up fat belly's in school gyms and he took 10 rounds to make a 4 minute AJ victim quit.

He fights with his head hanging in the air, looks like an arm puncher, regardless of his impressive chinning stats, and is less tested in the beard department than AJ.

Can Martin improve/be better than he looks? Yes. Can he cause the upset? Yes. Is it an excellent matchup? Yes. Should AJ be a strong favourite on paper? Yes.

Fury is not a big puncher, naturally you'd give Martin more chance of beating him considering the sparkage is less likely.

[ross]

We do have an idea of how good Martin is - there's a few fights of him on youtube duffing up fat belly's in school gyms and he took 10 rounds to make a 4 minute AJ victim quit.

He fights with his head hanging in the air, looks like an arm puncher, regardless of his impressive chinning stats, and is less tested in the beard department than AJ.

Can Martin improve/be better than he looks? Yes. Can he cause the upset? Yes. Is it an excellent matchup? Yes. Should AJ be a strong favourite on paper? Yes.

Fury is not a big puncher, naturally you'd give Martin more chance of beating him considering the sparkage is less likely.

Cant believe you are seriously using that comparison.

How long did it take Ali to get rid of Patterson compared to Liston who Ali knocked out in a round?

How long did it take Mike Tyson to get rid of James Tillis?

You know how it works, there would be hundreds of examples like this. Martin is a more cautious boxer. He can punch and is a southpaw so there is risk.

He does have a better win with Glazkov than anyone Joshua has faced regarldess of how the fight ended Martin was in control.

[Fenster]

Cant believe you are seriously using that comparison.

You know how it works, there would be hundreds of examples like this. Martin is a more cautious boxer. He can punch and is a southpaw so there is risk.

He does have a better win with Glazkov than anyone Joshua has faced regarldess of how the fight ended Martin was in control.

I never said Martin wasn't a risk. Anybody that is unexposed could be potentially better than their record suggests. I've made this point numerous times over the years, including about Andre Ward going into the super six comp.

The comparison? On paper they have a common opponent - Love. They both fought him last year. AJ slaughtered him in mere minutes. Martin was a minute from needing 10 rounds to hear the judges verdict.

Does this mean AJ will beat Martin? No. "On paper" it highlights that AJ has a superior piece of form. That's all.

In my opinion AJ has fought a superior level of opposition to Martin overall. I don't rate Glazkov, he's a non-punching small heavyweight. I don't regard a win against someone that hits the deck, like they've been shot, without receiving a punch as meaning much.

[ross]

Joshua may have a few more recognisable names on his record but the kind of tired old journeymen that wont hang around if someones putting it on them but will fiddle round if someone wants to box more.

Those wins dont mean alot. None of them bar Whyte have offered or wanted to offer anything.

[Fenster]

OK but my point is about AJ-vs-Martin on paper.

Martin doesn't have any names on his record, it's littered with American club fighters that leave their jug of beer and half-eaten mega Philly cheese steak on standby whilst they get in the ring for a few minutes.

[Primo Carnera]

OK but my point is about AJ-vs-Martin on paper.

Martin doesn't have any names on his record, it's littered with American club fighters that leave their jug of beer and half-eaten mega Philly cheese steak on standby whilst they get in the ring for a few minutes.

Before we get too down on Martin's record, let's look at AJ's.
Leo - never fought since since. Payday , sell his unbeaten record and fuck off out of it.
Butlin - lost 14 out of his previous 16. No ambition
Kisicek - losing record of 5-13 since AJ. No ambition
Darch - won 3 lost 2 since AJ - ok.
Avila - fought once since. The other week. Obviously the money they paid him to fight AJ lasted a while now he needs to get back to work.
Legg - never fought since. Ambition?
Skelton - lost to McDermott & Price before AJ. Was 47 years old, final payday- no ambition
Airich - lost 5 out of 6 since AJ. His next fight is against a 2 fight novice . Did he cash out?
Bakhtov - 1 win v a journeyman and a loss for the EBU Title since AJ. So-so.
Sprott - clearly at the end of his career, no ambition
Gavern - lost 4 out of 5 before AJ. No ambition and there for the payday.
Love - we've heard about the comparison between his fights against AJ & Martin, but at the end of the day, no ambition to win.
Johnson - lost 6 of his previous 7 before AJ. Ambition?
Cornish - was unbeaten, lasted less than a round. Can't say too much about that.
Whyte - at last , someone who actually came with some ambition.
My point isn't to denigrate AJ because I think he will beat Martin. But I don't think we should be criticising Martin's record too much. It's a common fact that all the top HW's have got their chances without having done much beforehand. What did Wilder, Fury or Martin do that was anything special before they won their titles?