Floyd claims that if it were not for the weight difference GGG would be "easy work"

[IamInuit]

Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

Imo Greb is but and sure Armstrong has a few notches staying active.

He won the triple crown however brief. He went 27 and 0 in a year with 27 ko’s grabbing the only featherweight title available. When he lost to Ambers in a rematch for the 135 title it broke a run of 46 and 0 with 39 knockouts. He went to welter and was 133 at the weigh in when he beat Ross. He defended his title 19 times which is still a record. People always cop to opponents and their records w/o considering the times. People fought everyone all the time unless you were unfortunate enough to be and individual caught up in the colour barrier. The numbers also outright lie at times. All kinds of people have 0’s today but you know as well as anyone what those represent in most cases. Some of these atg’s fought two or three times a month. Staying undefeated today and staying undefeated in past eras are two different things. There are more belts today then there are elites to carry them. And let’s face it, many of the people Floyd beat would be the same opponents you call bums from other eras had they fought in them. Fighting twice a year against no hopers or with little hope is what it is. Floyd struggled against Castillo, Maidana and Hatton until Cortez injected himself into the fight and Armstrong by all accounts fought that style but at a different level. Armstrong fought almost 200 times in 13 years, Floyd fought 49 times in 18 years. Armstrong beat 10 hall of famers, how many did Floyd beat.

[Lineal]

Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

Imo Greb is but and sure Armstrong has a few notches staying active.

He won the triple crown however brief. He went 27 and 0 in a year with 27 ko’s grabbing the only featherweight title available. When he lost to Ambers in a rematch for the 135 title it broke a run of 46 and 0 with 39 knockouts. He went to welter and was 133 at the weigh in when he beat Ross. He defended his title 19 times which is still a record. People always cop to opponents and their records w/o considering the times. People fought everyone all the time unless you were unfortunate enough to be and individual caught up in the colour barrier. The numbers also outright lie at times. All kinds of people have 0’s today but you know as well as anyone what those represent in most cases. Some of these atg’s fought two or three times a month. Staying undefeated today and staying undefeated in past eras are two different things. There are more belts today then there are elites to carry them. And let’s face it, many of the people Floyd beat would be the same opponents you call bums from other eras had they fought in them. Fighting twice a year against no hopers or with little hope is what it is. Floyd struggled against Castillo, Maidana and Hatton until Cortez injected himself into the fight and Armstrong by all accounts fought that style but at a different level. Armstrong fought almost 200 times in 13 years, Floyd fought 49 times in 18 years. Armstrong beat 10 hall of famers, how many did Floyd beat.

Excellent post cc

[ruthless rocco]

Pete Degrasse 75-45-28
Frankie Klick 84-21-12
Wally Hally 24-7-1
Mark Diaz 11-25-8
Jackie Carter 32-16-7
Alf Blatch - 40-5-3
Lew Massey 68-32-9
Benny Bass 153-26-5
Eddie Brink 36-28-12
Johnny Cabello 16-8-4
Orville Drouillard 43-31-13
Charley Burns 35-12-6
Johnny DeFoe 23-17-9
Bobby Dean 38-16-6
Joe Marciente 43-56-18
Petey Sarron 93-21-12
Billy Beauhuld 34-0-4
Joey Brown 18-14-20
Tony Chavez 58-18-25
Johnny Jones 0-2-0
Enrico Venturi 61-10-12
Frankie Castillo 24-15-5
Tommy Brown 1-1-0
Chalky Wright 80-20-17
Al Citrino 60-7-16
Everett Rightmire 84-9-8
Charley Burns 36-16-6

BUMS

[IamInuit]

Pete Degrasse 75-45-28
Frankie Klick 84-21-12
Wally Hally 24-7-1
Mark Diaz 11-25-8
Jackie Carter 32-16-7
Alf Blatch - 40-5-3
Lew Massey 68-32-9
Benny Bass 153-26-5
Eddie Brink 36-28-12
Johnny Cabello 16-8-4
Orville Drouillard 43-31-13
Charley Burns 35-12-6
Johnny DeFoe 23-17-9
Bobby Dean 38-16-6
Joe Marciente 43-56-18
Petey Sarron 93-21-12
Billy Beauhuld 34-0-4
Joey Brown 18-14-20
Tony Chavez 58-18-25
Johnny Jones 0-2-0
Enrico Venturi 61-10-12
Frankie Castillo 24-15-5
Tommy Brown 1-1-0
Chalky Wright 80-20-17
Al Citrino 60-7-16
Everett Rightmire 84-9-8
Charley Burns 36-16-6

BUMS

This is why the term "bum" is meaningless. So vague and yet so broad. You helped to spell out what I said my young friend. A great many of those fighters wipe the floor with anyone Floyd fought in the weight area. It’s pretty much obvious that you look at w/l and draw all kinds of conclusions while the facts of the times do not even enter into it starting with that it was an era of 100 fights as the norm. Guys like Tommy Brown willing to fight with 10 minutes notice were everywhere because of the economy and society in general. Quite the opposite of today where you have millionaire fighters having never had a real fight. Artificial constructs with padded records fighting once a year and sleeping under velvet sheets. These guys fought in REAL p4p eras with 8 belts period not 72. Based on the qualifiers you apply ie: w/l column, Sam Langford was a bum along with a litany of all-time greats. Do you honestly believe that Floyd would have survived that era? Its and apples and oranges comparison because I doubt Armstrong survives this one. He probably couldn’t get a fight. It took Moore 160 to get a title shot. He'd be working a different job in this era. This all based on a functional time machine of course. You know one man forward and one man backward.

Oh and Ftr I think a middleweight version of Floyd beats Golovkin. But that Floyd doesn’t exist.

[Fenster]

Lots of those "bums" have impressive records. Chalky Wright is in the HOF.

Only flomos and casuals are dazzled by the 0. What makes 49-0 more impressive than 151-21? If someone has 3x the amount of fights it's more likely they will lose.

It's impossible to compare fighters from history because things are so different. Floyd may well have gone 151-21 back then just like Armstrong might be 49-0 today. They're both great fighters of their time and neither beat a load of "bums."

[Mr140]

Well he is right the mw is a fucking waste land with no talent not named GGG. I mean for fucksake Cotto a man who could never be the man at ww and lmw won the fucking lineal title for god sake. I mean the lineal title guy is Canelo who not even weight over 160 in the weigh in. Mw is a joke division look through the history there a great fighter like Hagler,Monzon and Hopkins that is it. The rest of the talent is either at ww or they are just passing through mw to go to lhw division. I use to think highly of the mw division but more i look at the history the more i think that Lhw is above mw and maybe even fw in talent. It still does not make sense to me because 160-180 is the size of most people should have talent. Either way there reasone why GGG not going up in weight and is waiting the same reason Hagler did not move up because he get his ass kicked by the top dogs at lhw. The difference is that for Hagler there was Spinks and for GGG there the Russian they need lmw guys to make there money pretty much. Hopkins was the same way there is a reason why he did not go to lhw because then he would lose ever great mw champ just seems to be king of the jungle in a shitty era.

[mikeeod]

Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

Imo Greb is but and sure Armstrong has a few notches staying active.

He won the triple crown however brief. He went 27 and 0 in a year with 27 ko’s grabbing the only featherweight title available. When he lost to Ambers in a rematch for the 135 title it broke a run of 46 and 0 with 39 knockouts. He went to welter and was 133 at the weigh in when he beat Ross. He defended his title 19 times which is still a record. People always cop to opponents and their records w/o considering the times. People fought everyone all the time unless you were unfortunate enough to be and individual caught up in the colour barrier. The numbers also outright lie at times. All kinds of people have 0’s today but you know as well as anyone what those represent in most cases. Some of these atg’s fought two or three times a month. Staying undefeated today and staying undefeated in past eras are two different things. There are more belts today then there are elites to carry them. And let’s face it, many of the people Floyd beat would be the same opponents you call bums from other eras had they fought in them. Fighting twice a year against no hopers or with little hope is what it is. Floyd struggled against Castillo, Maidana and Hatton until Cortez injected himself into the fight and Armstrong by all accounts fought that style but at a different level. Armstrong fought almost 200 times in 13 years, Floyd fought 49 times in 18 years. Armstrong beat 10 hall of famers, how many did Floyd beat.

More to your final point on Floyd vs HOFers: how many of those that he fought were considered in their prime/at their best when Floyd fought them? Very good posts with in depth analysis and perspectives from you on this topic. So many on this board either short change Floyd and call him a duck who fought no one, or cup his gonads and declare him TBE and become emotionally upset when rational counterpoints are provided. Thank you for posting insightful discussions on here.