EU referendum

[Master]

No way! European Union is all about multinationals and corporations with the bureaucracy keeping it afloat. That is why big business and politicians want it.

[Britkid]

Centralised power is an unwieldy headache and some are in favour of that on a grander scale? For what? How is it good in the long run? Iceland is a model to aspire to, but the EU is quite the opposite. Undemocratic, unaudited and unnacountable.

If we are to stay in the Capitalist society, then centralization of power is the way to go. It is the only hope to control the market. As for democracy, that is an abstract concept, too many variants and thus a luxury too far in this form of society. Surely the only 'true' democracy is the Greek form of 'lottery of the people'; where like jury duty every time a governmental post is available, every 'qualified' adult's name is put in a 'hat' and someone is drawn to be take over the post?!

[erics44]

I know nothing about it me soz

[X]

I know nothing about it me soz

Don't worry about it mate, nobody else on here does either

[Britkid]

The smaller the centralised system the more responsive it can be as seen in Iceland who locked up their bankers and changed their system. I don't see an entity like the EU doing that. The EU seems to be run by and for the bankers as seen by the abhorrent treatment of Greece.

Democracy is a state that responds to the will of the people and unfortunately such an entity is getting rarer and rarer. It can never be found in an unelectable, unaudited, centralised system of financialisation though and that applies to a UK outside the EU too.

Now obviously a Tory government away from Europe isn't any different and that is where I think Labour is again wrong. People don't trust Labour on immigration or Europe and so the UK is in a rough place. It reminds me of the Scottish referendum. Stay or else! Feel the fear!

The funny thing is that there was hope in a free Scotland. There is no hope in Europe or out of it when people carry on living in cuckoo ponzi promise land of perpetual Torydom and a Labour Party that should really remember Benn to the letter. There are a lot of Labour supporters that have left because they don't want immigration or the EU. Labour is still cutting its own nose off by staying somewhat neutral. I don't think Corbyn believes in the EU going on his past comments, but here he is saying hold your noses let's stay. It's a chin scratcher.

What you are rightly (IMO) asking for though is impractical in our current system. You want an Anarcho based civilization built around small collectives doing what is wanted amongst the group. That in the short and medium term is not on the table.

So I would hope people make their decisions based on the realities of the situation in hand:

A realization that technology is 350% more likely to take your job than a migrant.

Closer union with 'strangers' leads to a better understanding of them and thus less conflict.

A more centralized government in a Capitalist society has more chance of controlling the market place.

And the European Union has more chance to compete with Japan, The US and China than the UK as a stand alone state.

[Dia bando]

The smaller the centralised system the more responsive it can be as seen in Iceland who locked up their bankers and changed their system. I don't see an entity like the EU doing that. The EU seems to be run by and for the bankers as seen by the abhorrent treatment of Greece.

Democracy is a state that responds to the will of the people and unfortunately such an entity is getting rarer and rarer. It can never be found in an unelectable, unaudited, centralised system of financialisation though and that applies to a UK outside the EU too.

Now obviously a Tory government away from Europe isn't any different and that is where I think Labour is again wrong. People don't trust Labour on immigration or Europe and so the UK is in a rough place. It reminds me of the Scottish referendum. Stay or else! Feel the fear!

The funny thing is that there was hope in a free Scotland. There is no hope in Europe or out of it when people carry on living in cuckoo ponzi promise land of perpetual Torydom and a Labour Party that should really remember Benn to the letter. There are a lot of Labour supporters that have left because they don't want immigration or the EU. Labour is still cutting its own nose off by staying somewhat neutral. I don't think Corbyn believes in the EU going on his past comments, but here he is saying hold your noses let's stay. It's a chin scratcher.

What you are rightly (IMO) asking for though is impractical in our current system. You want an Anarcho based civilization built around small collectives doing what is wanted amongst the group. That in the short and medium term is not on the table.

So I would hope people make their decisions based on the realities of the situation in hand:

A realization that technology is 350% more likely to take your job than a migrant.

Closer union with 'strangers' leads to a better understanding of them and thus less conflict.

A more centralized government in a Capitalist society has more chance of controlling the market place.

And the European Union has more chance to compete with Japan, The US and China than the UK as a stand alone state.

Try telling that to some of my friends and family that lost there jobs to migrant workers, go to our
local industrial estate and the majority of workers are migrant.

[Britkid]

Try telling that to some of my friends and family that lost there jobs to migrant workers, go to our
local industrial estate and the majority of workers are migrant.

True it is small comfort if you are that 20% that lose out (as opposed to the 70% who lose their jobs to technology)

Why did they lose their jobs? Was it a cost thing? If it was, it will be EU who make it a more 'equal playing field' long term, not the Eton elite who run the UK...

[Dia bando]

Try telling that to some of my friends and family that lost there jobs to migrant workers, go to our
local industrial estate and the majority of workers are migrant.

True it is small comfort if you are that 20% that lose out (as opposed to the 70% who lose their jobs to technology)

Why did they lose their jobs? Was it a cost thing? If it was, it will be EU who make it a more 'equal playing field' long term, not the Eton elite who run the UK...

Yes a cost thing getting rid of British workers this week,! and replacing them with migrant workers on minimum wage the next, a worrying fact if we leave the EU the Tory's would love it they don't like the human right act the EU implement, with out it the Tory's would make it easier to sack and get rid of employees, which they have stated they would love to do.!
People beware just think long and hard you may think the EU does nothing,! but with out them you may just not have a job.

[Dark Lord Al]

Try telling that to some of my friends and family that lost there jobs to migrant workers, go to our
local industrial estate and the majority of workers are migrant.

True it is small comfort if you are that 20% that lose out (as opposed to the 70% who lose their jobs to technology)

Why did they lose their jobs? Was it a cost thing? If it was, it will be EU who make it a more 'equal playing field' long term, not the Eton elite who run the UK...

Yes a cost thing getting rid of British workers this week,! and replacing them with migrant workers on minimum wage the next, a worrying fact if we leave the EU the Tory's would love it they don't like the human right act the EU implement, with out it the Tory's would make it easier to sack and get rid of employees, which they have stated they would love to do.!
People beware just think long and hard you may think the EU does nothing,! but with out them you may just not have a job.

The human rights act I nothing more than a abused tool used by corrupt inept lawyers to keep criminals and migrants in the country.
Get out of Europe and lets sort out our own mess.
If you don't like the tories ( of which not many are fans ) vote them out in the next election.