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Before every major treaty over the years when they've integrated further they've issued a plan about ten years before the treaty. They've issued a new plan called the Five Presidents Report. It basically goes all the way. Full banking and fiscal union and common institutions like a euro army. The banking and fiscal union means a euro trasury that taxes and spends for the whole of europe and the banking union means the euro central bank issues bonds and all countries share each others' debt. So Greece and Italy's debt is all pooled together with ours and Germany's debt and we're all responsible for it and any future banks going bust in europe.

So if you're voting yes that's what they're aiming for eventually. If they don't get it it's only because the common currency is falling apart.
Is that a bad thing though? I think the way forward is greater European unity. It is a way of improving the rights of the working class whilst competing on the world stage. It is far from perfect, but short of revolution and the end Capitalism, to me it is the best way to go.
They're improving the rights of the working class by the euro central bank enforcing policies which slash wages and benefits in the direction of Asian levels and will continue to do so until they get there. They're improving the rights of working class people by allowing uncontrolled immigration from the third world which increases competition for jobs, slashes the pay rates of those europeans who do manage to hold onto their jobs and puts massive pressure on housing costs and school places/access to healthcare etc. While they're letting the immigrants in they're slashing funding for schools, hospitals, social housing etc. All of these things are easier to do with a massive bureaucracy that runs everything and takes away the sovereignty of individual countries to change or stop these things. They also can sign huge trade agreements on behalf of everybody which put european workers in direct competition with Asian workers.

The whole fucking thing is run by big business. You can't rent any office space for several miles near Brussels centre or Strasbourg centre because it's all full of lobbyists buying off EU politicians.

The EU is an absolute undemocratic shambles of corporate servants making money bending over for corporations. It's a fucking organised racket and deserves to be RICOd and the fucking lot of them sent off to a Federal penitentiary.

I'm not even scratching the surface here. Maybe more time next week mate.
Migration and democracy... LOL if the problem is hard and complicated blame the migrant, and as for democracy, what is that? What is your interpretation?

If job security is your concern, start smashing up computers and other technologies; as they are three and a half times more likely to cost the average person their job, than a migrant.
What's your interpretation? A situation where polls show immigration is by far the biggest concern of the British population but all the parties have a lockstep refusal to have a policy that the majority of British people want?

You'd rather be run by a bunch of anti-democratic petty criminals who refuse to accept the democratic wishes of various european countries, have ignored the results of anti-EU votes in Denmark, France, Greece, Ireland and other countries and pressed on with their agenda regardless.

Regardless of how technology affects future employment the main thing affecting it now is supply and demand. Even those not affected by losing their job or being unable to get a new one see their wages cut due to the massive oversupply on the market.

Are you a graduate? You got a graduate-level job and have moved up the employment ladder from that point? Working in a major city?