Haye comeback fight on free to air tv

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Haye as heavyweight was better than fighting Cunningham.

I dont get your point?

Cunningham has faced better opposition at heavy bar Klitschko than Haye did!

Disagree, Haye fought better fighters and Haye managed to win a version of the title.

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Haye as heavyweight was better than fighting Cunningham.

I dont get your point?

Cunningham has faced better opposition at heavy bar Klitschko than Haye did!

Disagree, Haye fought better fighters and Haye managed to win a version of the title.

Also , there's a difference between "facing" and "beating" good opposition. If not, Zab Judah would be lb4lb top 5 now.

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Haye as heavyweight was better than fighting Cunningham.

I dont get your point?

Cunningham has faced better opposition at heavy bar Klitschko than Haye did!

Disagree, Haye fought better fighters and Haye managed to win a version of the title.

Also , there's a difference between "facing" and "beating" good opposition. If not, Zab Judah would be lb4lb top 5 now.

I understand that but Hayes opponents were dog shit! Barrett? Ruiz? Harrison? All were about 40 and retired or loads of losses. Valuev was awfull and 46 year old Holyfield did a more convincing job. Then you have Chisora which was a good win but arguably Cunningham also beats that lot.

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Haye as heavyweight was better than fighting Cunningham.

I dont get your point?

Cunningham has faced better opposition at heavy bar Klitschko than Haye did!

Disagree, Haye fought better fighters and Haye managed to win a version of the title.

Also , there's a difference between "facing" and "beating" good opposition. If not, Zab Judah would be lb4lb top 5 now.

I understand that but Hayes opponents were dog shit! Barrett? Ruiz? Harrison? All were about 40 and retired or loads of losses. Valuev was awfull and 46 year old Holyfield did a more convincing job. Then you have Chisora which was a good win but arguably Cunningham also beats that lot.

It's funny, out of those guys you mentioned , I have Chisora at the bottom of the pile along with maybe Harrison. And you can say what you like about Valuev , but he had a 40 odd -1 record , was World Champion and how can not taking the World title be more convincing than taking the World title?
And anyway, your point was that Cunningham faced better opposition at HW than Haye. Where?

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Adamek is better than Barrett, Fury was unbeaten and went on to easily beat Hayes best opponent and Mansour was unbeaten and a more dangerous opposition than Ruiz at that point. He also faced Visinia who was unbeaten and Glazkov who was unbeaten and Cunningham should have got the decision against.

Cunningham doesnt have the appeal and cant pick and choose a route to the world title over journeymen. He had a hard run at heavy. Even if he did he would have faltered at the very top as Haye did. He would have a chance against Wilder though, who would still be better than Valuev.

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Adamek is better than Barrett, Fury was unbeaten and went on to easily beat Hayes best opponent and Mansour was unbeaten and a more dangerous opposition than Ruiz at that point. He also faced Visinia who was unbeaten and Glazkov who was unbeaten and Cunningham should have got the decision against.

Cunningham doesnt have the appeal and cant pick and choose a route to the world title over journeymen. He had a hard run at heavy. Even if he did he would have faltered at the very top as Haye did. He would have a chance against Wilder though, who would still be better than Valuev.

He lost to Adamek,Fury and Glazkov. He beat Mansour, but who has Mansour ever beat? And yes, he beat an unbeaten Visinia. Yeah , a 10-0 novice fighting 6 rounders, who's victims had racked up a whopping 22 wins between them. And what's Visinia done since? Fuck all.

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Adamek is better than Barrett, Fury was unbeaten and went on to easily beat Hayes best opponent and Mansour was unbeaten and a more dangerous opposition than Ruiz at that point. He also faced Visinia who was unbeaten and Glazkov who was unbeaten and Cunningham should have got the decision against.

Cunningham doesnt have the appeal and cant pick and choose a route to the world title over journeymen. He had a hard run at heavy. Even if he did he would have faltered at the very top as Haye did. He would have a chance against Wilder though, who would still be better than Valuev.

He lost to Adamek,Fury and Glazkov. He beat Mansour, but who has Mansour ever beat? And yes, he beat an unbeaten Visinia. Yeah , a 10-0 novice fighting 6 rounders, who's victims had racked up a whopping 22 wins between them. And what's Visinia done since? Fuck all.

The only name you mentioned he genuinely lost to was Fury, the best heavyweight in the world and better than the fighter who easily beat Haye.

My point is Cunningham didnt face tired old journeymen he faced big, strong, undefeated ambitious fighters. If he fought the fighters Haye fought he would have the same wins.

Haye didnt want Cunningham or Adamek.

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Comical!! Bringing Lee Swaby in to justify your case. That was an early fight in Maccarinell's career that has no bearing on anything.plucking stats from Boxrec like they have any bearing on this. 😂😂😂😂

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Comical!! Bringing Lee Swaby in to justify your case. That was an early fight in Maccarinell's career that has no bearing on anything.plucking stats from Boxrec like they have any bearing on this. 😂😂😂😂

No, stats from my memory. Doesnt say on boxrec he was dropped by Scott.

I also remember Thompson gving Haye a hiding and that was another 40 year old retired fighter.

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Comical!! Bringing Lee Swaby in to justify your case. That was an early fight in Maccarinell's career that has no bearing on anything.plucking stats from Boxrec like they have any bearing on this. 😂😂😂😂

No, stats from my memory. Doesnt say on boxrec he was dropped by Scott.

I also remember Thompson gving Haye a hiding and that was another 40 year old retired fighter.

I never mentioned Scott or Thompson, I mentioned Swaby. Btw, How do we know Thompson wouldn't have done the same to Fury or Cunningham?

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Comical!! Bringing Lee Swaby in to justify your case. That was an early fight in Maccarinell's career that has no bearing on anything.plucking stats from Boxrec like they have any bearing on this. 😂😂😂😂

No, stats from my memory. Doesnt say on boxrec he was dropped by Scott.

I also remember Thompson gving Haye a hiding and that was another 40 year old retired fighter.

I never mentioned Scott or Thompson, I mentioned Swaby. Btw, How do we know Thompson wouldn't have done the same to Fury or Cunningham?

Because neither of them have shit stamina. If you consider Tysons Thompson moment against Cunningham he passed that with flying colours, came through it and win by knockout. Haye couldnt blow someone away and fell apart.

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Comical!! Bringing Lee Swaby in to justify your case. That was an early fight in Maccarinell's career that has no bearing on anything.plucking stats from Boxrec like they have any bearing on this. 😂😂😂😂

No, stats from my memory. Doesnt say on boxrec he was dropped by Scott.

I also remember Thompson gving Haye a hiding and that was another 40 year old retired fighter.

I never mentioned Scott or Thompson, I mentioned Swaby. Btw, How do we know Thompson wouldn't have done the same to Fury or Cunningham?

Because neither of them have shit stamina. If you consider Tysons Thompson moment against Cunningham he passed that with flying colours, came through it and win by knockout. Haye couldnt blow someone away and fell apart.

"Tyson's Thompson moment" came in about the 3 rd round if I remember right. I should think he fucking did have enough stamina to recover. And even then he used his 5 stone weight advantage to lean all over Cunningham until he couldn't carry Fury no more and virtually fell over.
Also, what does that say about Cunningham's stamina? How do we know he wouldn't lost to Thompson?
(I did ask that as well originally btw , please don't make me repeat every question I ask, this thread will end up a thousand pages long!!) 😄😄

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Cunningham beat better fighters than Thompson did