Thoughts with Nick Blackwell

[Master]

Eubank only said go to the body because there was no way Blackwell was going to get knocked out. Nick's chin was solid.

The only time there could have been a stoppage was when Junior had Blackwell cornered and thew a lot of punches but they were being blocked. If the fight was stopped then then there would have been outrage.

In hindsight it could have been stopped then but 99 out of 100 it would have been ok to carry on.

[sanatogen]

Quote attributed to Eubank

"But if he does to stop it and you keep on beating him like this – one, he is getting hurt. "And two, it is you who will have to make a decision. Why has the referee not stopped the fight? I don't know why. "But maybe you should not leave it to the referee. "So you are not going to take him out to the face, you are going to take him out to the body." -

[Andre]

Quote attributed to Eubank

"But if he does to stop it and you keep on beating him like this – one, he is getting hurt. "And two, it is you who will have to make a decision. Why has the referee not stopped the fight? I don't know why. "But maybe you should not leave it to the referee. "So you are not going to take him out to the face, you are going to take him out to the body." -

There it is.

[Spicoli]

Have not watched the fight but hope Blackwell rebounds to live a quality life. Yet another tragic example that while we sit behind keyboards and yell at the tube, there truly are no "bums" climbing into the ring regardless of ability level. They all get punched in the skull, and the damage is real.

[Andre]

Have not watched the fight but hope Blackwell rebounds to live a quality life. Yet another tragic example that while we sit behind keyboards and yell at the tube, there truly are no "bums" climbing into the ring regardless of ability level. They all get punched in the skull, and the damage is real.

Doubtful he will ever fight again though,real shame that and that is the real question, is it avoidable?

[p4pking]

If Blackwell had been ok afterwards, would people be making a big deal out of the fight not being stopped? That's all you can really ask as far as how it was handled. It was a routine mismatch with the loser being to tough for his own good, complete par for the course in boxing. If the fight had been stopped far sooner, Blackwell might have wound up in a similar way a couple of fights down the line, still partially a result of the damage he took in this one. It would be nice if there were medical advances that allowed people to detect disposition for risk of brain injuries in the future, barring that about all you can suggest is that people not get punched in the head for a living.

[Spicoli]

Have not watched the fight but hope Blackwell rebounds to live a quality life. Yet another tragic example that while we sit behind keyboards and yell at the tube, there truly are no "bums" climbing into the ring regardless of ability level. They all get punched in the skull, and the damage is real.

Doubtful he will ever fight again though,real shame that and that is the real question, is it avoidable?

I hope not as much as that sucks to say, imagine your entire career choice and way of life shut off over night. And that's the plus side of what we know could also be crippling or life ending injury. Cut and dry, no matter 1st round or 12th, fighters get hit and the inevitable result is damage. You inflict it and/or you avoid it. That's something we know at the door. It cannot be avoided to different degrees but key is lessening and being pro active. The last thing I want is to watch boxing go the way of the current NFL with the flag football injury-lawsuit conscience truckload of rules and penalties. But it starts at competent officiating and accountability. Even more so with the more and more obvious mismatches we buy into. Guys jumping not only class but weight division. Heavy favorites blowing weight and being allowed to pay some opponent an extra few thousand to "go along". Seriously more in favor of rehydration clauses now. Stateside we have States without athletic commissions who have to "borrow" officials for events and places where a Joe Mesi..with bleeding on the brain..can be allowed to fight. Or Oscar Larios going down to good ol' Mexico to do same. It doesn't always stop at Refs feet either, that's a bit of a cop out as I've watched commission heads literally leap over the top rope to stop obvious back street beatings the ref seemed to be tolerating all too much. That's a catch 22 yes but if you see your employee doing a shit job and pull him off the floor..so be it. Corners should also be allowed to again wave the flag or toss a towel instead of having it thrown out. And when you shout "one more round or else" fookin mean it! Maybe I'm getting old but we're not fookin cavemen. Don't get me wrong I love a great brawl and the primal yell of a fight but when we know its a showcase going in, we're all responsible. Having a granite beard or being so game is not necessarily a compliment so much as it is a constant to prove with some guys. Running on and in the wrong place
Get well Mr. Blackwell!

[imp]

Have not watched the fight but hope Blackwell rebounds to live a quality life. Yet another tragic example that while we sit behind keyboards and yell at the tube, there truly are no "bums" climbing into the ring regardless of ability level. They all get punched in the skull, and the damage is real.

Doubtful he will ever fight again though,real shame that and that is the real question, is it avoidable?

His career should be stopped.

He takes way to much damage.

He already lost to saunders and eubank jr so no point in continuing career as a journeyman.

[Primo Carnera]

Quote attributed to Eubank

"But if he does to stop it and you keep on beating him like this – one, he is getting hurt. "And two, it is you who will have to make a decision. Why has the referee not stopped the fight? I don't know why. "But maybe you should not leave it to the referee. "So you are not going to take him out to the face, you are going to take him out to the body." -

There it is.

To me, that's typical Sr. Talking in riddles. But if you want to believe that he has some 6th sense, that's Up to you.
So , in summary, in your book he's saying "don't bother with head, because you'll hurt him, but give his ribs a good hiding and finish him off!!! Yeah, loads of empathy!

[Munkymagic]

Hope he makes a speedy recovery...was a brutal fight. I guess you can hear what Eubank Snr said how you want to hear it...but i guess asking his son to take him out to the body rather than the face does imply he did not want Blackwell to sustain any more damage to the head

[sanatogen]

Primo: It's probably at the limit of empathy on what you would get standing in a professional boxing ring.

[Andre]

Quote attributed to Eubank

"But if he does to stop it and you keep on beating him like this – one, he is getting hurt. "And two, it is you who will have to make a decision. Why has the referee not stopped the fight? I don't know why. "But maybe you should not leave it to the referee. "So you are not going to take him out to the face, you are going to take him out to the body." -

There it is.

To me, that's typical Sr. Talking in riddles. But if you want to believe that he has some 6th sense, that's Up to you.
So , in summary, in your book he's saying "don't bother with head, because you'll hurt him, but give his ribs a good hiding and finish him off!!! Yeah, loads of empathy!

Common sense, not 6th sense. ,Did I mention 6th sense or empathy?

Anything else you want to attempt to insinuate on my behalf or his in saying it? Maybe like we are trying to turn this game into the fucking ballet or something instead of a punching contest?

Im saying many refs dont know what they are looking at and some others dont care anyway, they are there for the audience and more fan views first than being there for a boxers protection.
That would of been Eubanks only thoughts, dont you think?

[Batman]

I can't see the video that was posted but I did see an interview with jr and Sr on channel 4 last night, whilst I don't agree with the things they are saying about how they took it easy on him etc, the questions they were being asked were pretty shocking

Now you have put a man in a coma have you thought about quitting?
Would you give up the belt if it meant Blackwell making a full recovery?

They are loaded questions designed to make jr look like a cunt with his answers (and let's be honest, it's not like he needs any help with that)

[Andre]

I can't see the video that was posted but I did see an interview with jr and Sr on channel 4 last night, whilst I don't agree with the things they are saying about how they took it easy on him etc, the questions they were being asked were pretty shocking

Now you have put a man in a coma have you thought about quitting?
Would you give up the belt if it meant Blackwell making a full recovery?

They are loaded questions designed to make jr look like a cunt with his answers (and let's be honest, it's not like he needs any help with that)

Maybe this one? this interviewer as some says in the comments is a mudraker. Would of added mudraking cunt to that personally.

[Primo Carnera]

Quote attributed to Eubank

"But if he does to stop it and you keep on beating him like this – one, he is getting hurt. "And two, it is you who will have to make a decision. Why has the referee not stopped the fight? I don't know why. "But maybe you should not leave it to the referee. "So you are not going to take him out to the face, you are going to take him out to the body." -

There it is.

To me, that's typical Sr. Talking in riddles. But if you want to believe that he has some 6th sense, that's Up to you.
So , in summary, in your book he's saying "don't bother with head, because you'll hurt him, but give his ribs a good hiding and finish him off!!! Yeah, loads of empathy!

Common sense, not 6th sense. ,Did I mention 6th sense or empathy?

firstly, I don't even think Eubank has much common sense. secondly, you said that Eubank was talking about why the fight wasn't stopped from the 5th round ! so, are you saying it should've been stopped in the 5th? if yes, that's ridiculous , if no, then why post it, apart from to highlight Eubank's 6th sense? the empathy is due to the part where Eubank Sr. is saying go to the body not the head. Hope that clears that up.

Anything else you want to attempt to insinuate on my behalf or his in saying it? Maybe like we are trying to turn this game into the fucking ballet or something instead of a punching contest?
no, not insinuating anything depending on your answers to the above.

Im saying many refs dont know what they are looking at and some others dont care anyway, they are there for the audience and more fan views first than being there for a boxers protection.
That would of been Eubanks only thoughts, dont you think?

with regards to some refs, although you're being a tad harsh, I can see where you're coming from and I think you have a fair point. Some refs do think it's all about them or are trying to please people rather than care for the safety of the boxer. However , I don't believe Victor Loughlin falls into that category. I actually thought he reffed excellently all the way through the fight. The fight got stopped exactly when it should have imo. it was stopped because of that lump on Blackwell's eye, and as long as that wasn't the cause of the actual bleed on the brain, that did him a favour, because he was taking Eubank's punches , was fighting back and would've through his own toughness and pride regrettably have continued for the full 12 rounds which may have made his situation worse, although I'm not a doctor. And that is my point here, the trainer and ref are not Doctors and couldn't foresee this terrible situation. So for Eubank Sr. to hold press conferences saying he would've stopped it etc. gives the press a perfect story to sensationalise , which is exactly what they're doing.
and if you think the ref doesn't care, trust me the press couldn't give a flying fuck, they are scum.