Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?

[erics44]

wlad

the ruiner of hw boxing for 10+ years

Wlad ensured that phoneys like Martin never won the title. i would rather endure 10 years of Wlad than 1 fight Martin.

wlad was a phoney (why are we talking in American), he held more than he punched (and that's not an exaggeration

better to have Wlad than Martin and the other phoneys that will follow. at least Wlad tidied the crap an kept some order.

perhaps he did tidy up the crap, but a lot of his wins were based on cheating

the day he first won the title in his most recent reign he should have been DQ'd by the second round

All the challengers that Wlad has beaten, none of them would I have wanted as champion, even Haye.

that's fine but wouldn't it have been better, for the last 10 years, to have a hw division based on who is the best boxer rather than who brings in the most money?

when in with any kind of threatening opponent klit would hold for 3 or 4 rounds (or more) before he started punching

in more than several of his fights he should have been dq'd, there is nothing good about that

[Master]

Wlad beat the best heavyweights and was the best at the weight. It may have been a very poor standard but he was the best from it.

[erics44]

are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?

[Master]

are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?

I hated Wlad holding but he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.

[erics44]

are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?

I hated Wlad holding but he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.

I don't think you can say that for sure

would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?

he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt

would he have beaten Provetkin?

would he have beaten haye?

haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively

as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible

I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules

[Primo Carnera]

are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?

I hated Wlad holding but he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.

I don't think you can say that for sure

would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?

he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt

would he have beaten Provetkin?

would he have beaten haye?

haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively

as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible

I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules

I hear what you're saying on most of that, and like you, I thought the Povetkin fight was a disgraceful fight from start to finish.
But the Haye fight is a little different. Haye was so cautious that Wlad didn't have to hold that much. Haye was looking for a way in all night but didn't want to commit. He played right into Wlad's hands and then blamed his big toe.
Haye's performance against Wlad was similar to Wlad's performance against Fury. Smaller man , less reach, worried about getting tagged by the bigger guy to the extent that they went gun shy.
And I'm not a Haye basher, I quite like the guy. he fucked up big time that night and made himself look a cunt.

[erics44]

are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?

I hated Wlad holding but he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.

I don't think you can say that for sure

would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?

he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt

would he have beaten Provetkin?

would he have beaten haye?

haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively

as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible

I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules

I hear what you're saying on most of that, and like you, I thought the Povetkin fight was a disgraceful fight from start to finish.
But the Haye fight is a little different. Haye was so cautious that Wlad didn't have to hold that much. Haye was looking for a way in all night but didn't want to commit. He played right into Wlad's hands and then blamed his big toe.
Haye's performance against Wlad was similar to Wlad's performance against Fury. Smaller man , less reach, worried about getting tagged by the bigger guy to the extent that they went gun shy.
And I'm not a Haye basher, I quite like the guy. he fucked up big time that night and made himself look a cunt.

I shouldn't have brought up the Haye fight, its a touchy subject

forget I said it

It wasn't just the Provetkin and Peter fights wlad held in, there were lots of them, I just brought those two up because the peter fight was the day he won the title. He should have been DQ'd so wouldn't have won it in the first place (then what would have happened?) and the provetkin fight was probably the worst, he should have been DQ'd several times over

I remember Matthew Barney fighting Carl Froch and Henry Akinwande fighting lennox lewis, Barney and Akinwande were DQ'd in those fights for holding, well done ref, yet they weren't a patch on many of wlad klits fights