Gennady Golovkin vs. Dominic Wade

[Swice]

Just heard about this fight today. Haven't really been following GGG since he turned down the opportunity to fight Andre Ward to fight David Lemieux. Besides Alvarez's wanting to fight him at 155, which is as good as ducking if you're a middleweight champion, then who else is ducking him because I can think of a few middleweights that I think would have been a greater challenge than Dominic Wade, who I have never heard of. It's also hypocritical to be like "everyone is ducking me" when 1) everyone isn't and 2) you're ducking someone else. This is just another resume padding KO victory for GGG. We all know when people start playing up the fact that someone is a mandatory, that it's an excuse for a fight that shouldn't be happening. GGG hasn't cleared out this division and there is still plenty of good fighters before you get to Dominic Wade.

1.Everyone is ducking him. and
2. How can he be ducking someone who doesn't fight ? and when he does fight, he fights 2 weight divisions above him?

1. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Who has personally come out and said I will not fight GGG? I want to see the offer sheets his team has made to the top 10 contenders along with their rejection rejection letters before I just take the "everybody is ducking him" as gospel.

2. Andre Ward does fight. He fought in 2015 and 2016. Furthermore he has gone on record as saying GGG team turned down a fight with him in 2015.

In response, Golovkin's promoter Tom Loeffler contacted the Los Angeles Times to clarify the 'context' of the rejection.

Loeffler said the offer was for a 50-50 purse-split in 2016, after each fighter had prepared by taking one more fight earlier in the year.

'It would've been a bad deal to take,' he told the Los Angeles Times.

Obviously the fight would be at a catchweight, the same type of offer that Alvarez is being knocked for.

So everybody is not ducking him. And if the ascertain is that all middleweight contenders are ducking him, then where is the proof of that? Where is the proof that Dominic Wade is the best contender out there that was willing to take this fight, because at this point that is who GGG should be fighting.

[IamInuit]

1. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Who has personally come out and said I will not fight GGG? I want to see the offer sheets his team has made to the top 10 contenders along with their rejection rejection letters before I just take the "everybody is ducking him" as gospel.

That is chronically misleading and frankly a bit of a soft attempt at a straw man argument. Actions speak louder than words Not openly saying anything during Golovkins rise by the pretenders is worse than saying something. Any of these other guys ever call the guy out?? When they were asked and actually gave a repose, it was either I leave that to Al Haymon or a lame attempt at condescension. Shit even Martinez ducked him which I partly understood at the time with Sergio being so close to retirement and having never got the major money fight himself. During this same time Kid Ovaltine would almost wet himself when the Kazaks name was mentioned. He ended up dropping his belt rather then unify because he had “bigger plans” only to fight the guy he dropped the belt for rather then fight who was Andy Lee and he couldn’t make weight. He then got blasted out by Jacobs who also incidentally passed on an opportunity for a unification fight with Golovkin in slippery ways. Cotto wanted nothing to do with him.And btw why should Golovkin be obligated to make these frauds offers? He's the real champ who is about to surpass Hopkins in defenses in half the time. He's the recognized real champion in the real world regardless of the perpetrators of the fraud like the Ring listing first Cotto now Alvarez ahead. That in and of itself speaks volumes concerning mediocrity being the new normal. I'm sure Lee's people were not calling Golovkin and the new trinket champ in Saunders has admitted credit to him that he's not in the same league. The only other trinket holder that had the nut sack to fight this guy was David Lemieux and he did so 4 months after winning the thing.
Now, rumours are starting to circulate that after the Alvarez/Khan fraud, Alvarez will be matched against Lemieux and Quillins name has also popped up. Does anyone actually believe that Alvarez is not ducking Golovkin? The entire division has been ducking the guy for 5 years and he's cleaned it out of all the contenders while waiting for all the fakes to shit or get off the pot.

2. Andre Ward does fight. He fought in 2015 and 2016. Furthermore he has gone on record as saying GGG team turned down a fight with him in 2015.

Again skewing the facts. Andre Ward won a botched tournament more than 5 years ago and he ran out of opponents or big fights at 168. So instead of moving up to fight the likes of Kovalev or Stevenson at the time which was 2011 he starched out Chad Dawson who was 175 for close to a decade and then started his self imposed, delusional work to rule antics coming up with ridiculous suits against Goossen who got him everything. Yet after winning the tourney he said he's most likely going to 175. Shortly after that Stevenson and Kovalev arrived and he went on strike. While on strike and playing the victim card he started calling out Golovkin. Why would he start calling out Golovkin? Is it because Golovkin made a comment which was silly that he'd go from 154 to 175? Can you blame the guy for saying that after being ducked and ignored since he won the title? He most likely would have added a Siberian tiger to the list. Why was Ward claiming he'd go to 160 to fight Floyd? If Golovkin was American would this debate even be happening?


Reality does not make distinctions for individual perception. The facts speak for themselves. We'd be photographs on cement if not for gravity and the same applies here. It makes little difference to the truth on how many times its misrepresented.

[erics44]

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

^^^ this is a joke by the way, I was just repeating something someone else said on this thread that I found funny

[Primo Carnera]

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

Ok, let's get this clear when we talk about avoiding/ducking fighters.
1. there were never any official discussions.
2. When Ward said this, he hadn't fought for 3 years. would he have needed a tune up before GGG? Bearing in mind that his 1st fight ended up being Paul Smith , Ward weighed 172Lb , Smith 176Lb, I think he would've wanted a tune up prior to GGG.
3. if Ward has this tune up, is GGG just expected to wait for him? bear in mind GGG fights 3 to 4 times a year.
4. GGG's handlers allegedly wanted a "split down the middle " catchweight of 164Lb. Ward didn't want to know about that . (nothing wrong in that btw, I'm not a fan of CW's and this fight was never realistic imo.)
5. GGG fights at 160Lb , Ward used to fight at 168Lb and that's where he wanted the fight. The only problem is that Ward hasn't fought at 168Lb for 3 years. Ward now fights at 175Lb.
the fact is that nobody ducked anyone here, it was never a realistic fight for many reasons , they are very different sizes and one fights regularly while the other doesn't , so timings would never be right. Plus of course the Money/ A side/B side bollocks.

[erics44]

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

Ok, let's get this clear when we talk about avoiding/ducking fighters.
1. there were never any official discussions.
2. When Ward said this, he hadn't fought for 3 years. would he have needed a tune up before GGG? Bearing in mind that his 1st fight ended up being Paul Smith , Ward weighed 172Lb , Smith 176Lb, I think he would've wanted a tune up prior to GGG.
3. if Ward has this tune up, is GGG just expected to wait for him? bear in mind GGG fights 3 to 4 times a year.
4. GGG's handlers allegedly wanted a "split down the middle " catchweight of 164Lb. Ward didn't want to know about that . (nothing wrong in that btw, I'm not a fan of CW's and this fight was never realistic imo.)
5. GGG fights at 160Lb , Ward used to fight at 168Lb and that's where he wanted the fight. The only problem is that Ward hasn't fought at 168Lb for 3 years. Ward now fights at 175Lb.
the fact is that nobody ducked anyone here, it was never a realistic fight for many reasons , they are very different sizes and one fights regularly while the other doesn't , so timings would never be right. Plus of course the Money/ A side/B side bollocks.

that was a joke by the way

I was just repeating something someone else said I found funny

[Primo Carnera]

got me ya fucker!

[Master]

got me ya fucker!

Eric has a weird sense of humour.

[Primo Carnera]

Right, now I've backed GGG up regularly.
Now , to prove that I'm consistent and unbiased, I'm gonna rip into him a little bit.
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...ematch--103645

Shut your fucking mouth about fighting Floyd and concentrate on your own legacy. It's one thing answering a question, but to talk about KO'ing him and all that bollocks , just fucking get on with your own career.
There, I said it!

[Master]

Everything triple G says is true. The Floyd v Manny fight was boring, no one is interested in a rematch and he would wipe out Floyd with ease.

[Primo Carnera]

Why call out a retired fighter 2 weights below you?
That's as bad as Ward calling him out.

[Master]

Why call out a retired fighter 2 weights below you?
That's as bad as Ward calling him out.

Floyd is not retired, only you believe that.
Floyd wants to win a title at middleweight.
Floyd wants 50th fight to beat Rocky's record.

GGG is making sure Floyd does not fight Canelo claiming to be the middleweight champ.

[IamInuit]

Why call out a retired fighter 2 weights below you?
That's as bad as Ward calling him out.

That’s what Hagler did to Leonard. Leonard had him on the line before he retired. The Kazak knows full well that his chances of getting Floyd at this moment in time are slim to none and slim has left the building. If Floyd were to come back sooner rather than later it would be for the fake title against the winner of Khan/Alvarez. That’s the money fight as insane as it is and there’s no reason for him to be concerned with legacy at this point when he was not concerned throughout his career. For Floyd to fight Golovkin now, the Kazak would have had to have deteriorated at the same pace Hagler did.

[Primo Carnera]

Let's be honest, why does Floyd sell? Because 50% , maybe more of the people that tune in want to see him lose.
Manny - been there, done that, it won't sell like before because people have seen the outcome.
Canelo - ditto. Even the "he's more mature, no CW , he's better now, etc.etc. won't sell it."
GGG - enough people (not me btw) think he could beat Floyd at a 154lb CW. It's intriguing and we don't know the answer.
The Only problem is that Floyd ain't buying it. He's already said so, and to be honest, who can blame him . It would be yet another Circus act.

[Primo Carnera]

I think 50 fights means more to everyone else than it does Floyd.
If it meant anything to him, he wouldn't have retired in the first place.
He's loving life at the moment. Everybody talking about him and he won't discourage that.
If he comes back , there has to be a public demand, after all it's a business and it's all about supply and demand.
If the people demand it , then they/we are far more stupid than I ever believed.
So tell me, are you stupid ?

[Master]

I think 50 fights means more to everyone else than it does Floyd.
If it meant anything to him, he wouldn't have retired in the first place.
He's loving life at the moment. Everybody talking about him and he won't discourage that.
If he comes back , there has to be a public demand, after all it's a business and it's all about supply and demand.
If the people demand it , then they/we are far more stupid than I ever believed.
So tell me, are you stupid ?

Floyd deliberately retired at 49 thinking they would pay for his 50th. No one wants to see the gimp. It is funny how hard he is trying to manufacture a fight with Broner (Floyd is in on it).