Gennady Golovkin vs. Dominic Wade

[p4pking]

Don't worry Al, @walrus and I are supposed to be dead as well. @denilson200

[Dark Lord Al]

This squabble has lasted longer than the fight that was a topic for discussion. Agree you'll never be inviting the other over for dinner, move on and keep the racial moltovs off the front board fellas or its getting dumped.

Yes Randy my summary was final.

[Swice]

Just heard about this fight today. Haven't really been following GGG since he turned down the opportunity to fight Andre Ward to fight David Lemieux. Besides Alvarez's wanting to fight him at 155, which is as good as ducking if you're a middleweight champion, then who else is ducking him because I can think of a few middleweights that I think would have been a greater challenge than Dominic Wade, who I have never heard of. It's also hypocritical to be like "everyone is ducking me" when 1) everyone isn't and 2) you're ducking someone else. This is just another resume padding KO victory for GGG. We all know when people start playing up the fact that someone is a mandatory, that it's an excuse for a fight that shouldn't be happening. GGG hasn't cleared out this division and there is still plenty of good fighters before you get to Dominic Wade.

[Primo Carnera]

Just heard about this fight today. Haven't really been following GGG since he turned down the opportunity to fight Andre Ward to fight David Lemieux. Besides Alvarez's wanting to fight him at 155, which is as good as ducking if you're a middleweight champion, then who else is ducking him because I can think of a few middleweights that I think would have been a greater challenge than Dominic Wade, who I have never heard of. It's also hypocritical to be like "everyone is ducking me" when 1) everyone isn't and 2) you're ducking someone else. This is just another resume padding KO victory for GGG. We all know when people start playing up the fact that someone is a mandatory, that it's an excuse for a fight that shouldn't be happening. GGG hasn't cleared out this division and there is still plenty of good fighters before you get to Dominic Wade.

1.Everyone is ducking him. and
2. How can he be ducking someone who doesn't fight ? and when he does fight, he fights 2 weight divisions above him?

[powerpuncher]

Just heard about this fight today. Haven't really been following GGG since he turned down the opportunity to fight Andre Ward to fight David Lemieux. Besides Alvarez's wanting to fight him at 155, which is as good as ducking if you're a middleweight champion, then who else is ducking him because I can think of a few middleweights that I think would have been a greater challenge than Dominic Wade, who I have never heard of. It's also hypocritical to be like "everyone is ducking me" when 1) everyone isn't and 2) you're ducking someone else. This is just another resume padding KO victory for GGG. We all know when people start playing up the fact that someone is a mandatory, that it's an excuse for a fight that shouldn't be happening. GGG hasn't cleared out this division and there is still plenty of good fighters before you get to Dominic Wade.

Who are you?

[Swice]

Just heard about this fight today. Haven't really been following GGG since he turned down the opportunity to fight Andre Ward to fight David Lemieux. Besides Alvarez's wanting to fight him at 155, which is as good as ducking if you're a middleweight champion, then who else is ducking him because I can think of a few middleweights that I think would have been a greater challenge than Dominic Wade, who I have never heard of. It's also hypocritical to be like "everyone is ducking me" when 1) everyone isn't and 2) you're ducking someone else. This is just another resume padding KO victory for GGG. We all know when people start playing up the fact that someone is a mandatory, that it's an excuse for a fight that shouldn't be happening. GGG hasn't cleared out this division and there is still plenty of good fighters before you get to Dominic Wade.

1.Everyone is ducking him. and
2. How can he be ducking someone who doesn't fight ? and when he does fight, he fights 2 weight divisions above him?

1. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Who has personally come out and said I will not fight GGG? I want to see the offer sheets his team has made to the top 10 contenders along with their rejection rejection letters before I just take the "everybody is ducking him" as gospel.

2. Andre Ward does fight. He fought in 2015 and 2016. Furthermore he has gone on record as saying GGG team turned down a fight with him in 2015.

In response, Golovkin's promoter Tom Loeffler contacted the Los Angeles Times to clarify the 'context' of the rejection.

Loeffler said the offer was for a 50-50 purse-split in 2016, after each fighter had prepared by taking one more fight earlier in the year.

'It would've been a bad deal to take,' he told the Los Angeles Times.

Obviously the fight would be at a catchweight, the same type of offer that Alvarez is being knocked for.

So everybody is not ducking him. And if the ascertain is that all middleweight contenders are ducking him, then where is the proof of that? Where is the proof that Dominic Wade is the best contender out there that was willing to take this fight, because at this point that is who GGG should be fighting.

[Swice]

Just heard about this fight today. Haven't really been following GGG since he turned down the opportunity to fight Andre Ward to fight David Lemieux. Besides Alvarez's wanting to fight him at 155, which is as good as ducking if you're a middleweight champion, then who else is ducking him because I can think of a few middleweights that I think would have been a greater challenge than Dominic Wade, who I have never heard of. It's also hypocritical to be like "everyone is ducking me" when 1) everyone isn't and 2) you're ducking someone else. This is just another resume padding KO victory for GGG. We all know when people start playing up the fact that someone is a mandatory, that it's an excuse for a fight that shouldn't be happening. GGG hasn't cleared out this division and there is still plenty of good fighters before you get to Dominic Wade.

Who are you?

Not really sure what your point is. I believe you're implying that because I don't post often or haven't made a "name" for myself on this forum that I shouldn't have a say on this matter. Things like that don't don't concern me, I'm offering up, what I think, is a valid criticism on GGG career so far. How is it possible to discern how goog GGG is when he is consistently fighting the Dominic Wade's of the boxing world. We already know he is better than guys like that, what still remains a mystery is if he is better than the upper echelon of the sport. If he is being ducked by all the top middleweights, than lets see the evidence of that. You don't think his team could force the hand of a top middleweight contender, in this day and age of social media? Post up your offer sheets and rejection and let the internet take over. All I'm saying is that he should be fighting better opponents than this.

[Primo Carnera]

Why don't you get a job as GGG's matchmaker or manager?
After all, you think it's really easy to get these fights for him.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion regardless of how often you post, so I'll ask YOU who you think GGG should be fighting that he hasn't done?
When you answer that, I'll be able to reply.
Btw , Ward DID fight in 2015, you are right. He was 12lbs heavier than what GGG fights at and his opponent was 16 lb heavier and not in the top 100 LHW's in the World.
And yes, he has fought in 2016 , at 15lbs heavier than what GGG fights at.
So Golovkin should fight Ward should he?

[Swice]

Why don't you get a job as GGG's matchmaker or manager?
After all, you think it's really easy to get these fights for him.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion regardless of how often you post, so I'll ask YOU who you think GGG should be fighting that he hasn't done?
When you answer that, I'll be able to reply.
Btw , Ward DID fight in 2015, you are right. He was 12lbs heavier than what GGG fights at and his opponent was 16 lb heavier and not in the top 100 LHW's in the World.
And yes, he has fought in 2016 , at 15lbs heavier than what GGG fights at.
So Golovkin should fight Ward should he?

Either of those positions would be bad for me, as I'm not interested in what's best for GGG from a business stand point, but what is best for me as a fan. I want to see GGG fighting Alvarez, Cotto, or Daniel Jacobs. I'll even take an up and comer like Chris Eubank Jr. I think any of those fighters would have been a better match up than Dominic Wade. I already said that Alvarez wanting to defend the middleweight title at 155 was as good as a duck, and I know Cotto hasn't been wafting about fighting GGG, but he hasn't ruled it out and I remember Roach being up for that fight. I have never heard anything about Jacobs ducking him though or Eubank Jr.

People overuse words like ducking and robbery when it comes to boxing and there is also a lot of hyperbole when it comes to this sport. Have people ducked GGG, yes, I already made mention of that, but has everyone, absolutely not. If you are going to say everyone is ducking him than there should be evidence to back that up. We already know, because of Ward, that that is false. If you want to say every middleweight is ducking him I doubt that as well as I can't recall Jacobs or Eubank Jr. refusing to fight GGG.

Also this is the same guy who called out Floyd Mayweather and said he would crush him and he isn't a middleweight. So isn't hypocritical to then use that same logic to discount Andre Ward? I don't care if he fights Ward or not, all I'm saying, as I have said from the beginning, is he shouldn't be fighting the likes of Dominic Wade because he is better than that and as a fan that isn't a fight that I or I think a lot of others would like to see when there are other more attractive options out there.

[J_Undisputed]

Golovkin holds the WBC interim, WBA and the IBF. He tried to make Fights with both Canelo (WBC Linear) and Saunders (WBO) in an effort to fight the other champs and win all the belts. Saunders turtled and said he wasn't ready even though it was for more money that he's ever made and after Golovkin moved on to the next option, Saunders started making noise. Canelo has been hemming and hawing and said hes not ready yet.

Wade is his IBF mandatory, the next option in Line. Its necessary to preserve his IBF title, whats the point of picking up the another belt if you're gonna drop one at the same time. He already stated his goal was to have all the belts before he moved up.

Also how his Golovkin trying to fight Canelo (and by extension Cotto) like Ward trying to fight Golovkin. I don't remember Golovkin going up to light heavy winning a title (Much less the linear championship) and creeping back below the weight limit.

Maybe weight hopping is fine for Ward, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and others that are chasing checks instead of legacy. Golovkin made a challenge to mayweather (The supposed best fighter in the world) he didn't offer to go down and challenge any fighter. Wards motives were pretty transparent even though he thought he was being coy. Golovkin stated his desire to fight ward before but he wasn't a big enough name till Ward sat out for years and people forgot who he was and the checks stopped rolling in. In that time Golovkin had built his brand and Ward figured he was some kind of peoples champ emeritus was just going to hop in and challenge and undersized fighter who was at the top of the game and demand a weight advantage and a 50/50 split to recover everything he pissed away of his inactivity. When GGG told him to go to hell, ward threw a tantrum and started name calling. If you want to call it a timing issue, I'd settle for that... Boxing is all about who's hot at the moment... but respect what the guys is trying to accomplish like fighters throughout history by playing within the rules and clearing out a division and winning all the titles. If ward wants to hop divisions and fight selectively for money than that's fine as long as he earns his shot instead of leap frogging guys who earn their rankings.

[Primo Carnera]

Why don't you get a job as GGG's matchmaker or manager?
After all, you think it's really easy to get these fights for him.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion regardless of how often you post, so I'll ask YOU who you think GGG should be fighting that he hasn't done?
When you answer that, I'll be able to reply.
Btw , Ward DID fight in 2015, you are right. He was 12lbs heavier than what GGG fights at and his opponent was 16 lb heavier and not in the top 100 LHW's in the World.
And yes, he has fought in 2016 , at 15lbs heavier than what GGG fights at.
So Golovkin should fight Ward should he?

Either of those positions would be bad for me, as I'm not interested in what's best for GGG from a business stand point, but what is best for me as a fan. I want to see GGG fighting Alvarez, Cotto, or Daniel Jacobs. I'll even take an up and comer like Chris Eubank Jr. I think any of those fighters would have been a better match up than Dominic Wade. I already said that Alvarez wanting to defend the middleweight title at 155 was as good as a duck, and I know Cotto hasn't been wafting about fighting GGG, but he hasn't ruled it out and I remember Roach being up for that fight. I have never heard anything about Jacobs ducking him though or Eubank Jr.


People overuse words like ducking and robbery when it comes to boxing and there is also a lot of hyperbole when it comes to this sport. Have people ducked GGG, yes, I already made mention of that, but has everyone, absolutely not. If you are going to say everyone is ducking him than there should be evidence to back that up. We already know, because of Ward, that that is false. If you want to say every middleweight is ducking him I doubt that as well as I can't recall Jacobs or Eubank Jr. refusing to fight GGG.

Also this is the same guy who called out Floyd Mayweather and said he would crush him and he isn't a middleweight. So isn't hypocritical to then use that same logic to discount Andre Ward? I don't care if he fights Ward or not, all I'm saying, as I have said from the beginning, is he shouldn't be fighting the likes of Dominic Wade because he is better than that and as a fan that isn't a fight that I or I think a lot of others would like to see when there are other more attractive options out there.

Canelo - I think we all agree that he is blatantly avoiding GGG. Infact he and Cotto fought each other to avoid GGG.
Cotto - what would be the point after Canelo beat him? Cotto always said he wasn't a real MW, and you just have to look at the names banded around as his next possible opponent to see where he's going. Provo & JMM.
Jacobs - GGG was looking for his next opponent while Jacobs was preparing for his World title fight. He hasn't avoided GGG yet, but he hasn't said he would fight him either.
Eubank Jr. - now you're kidding me! 2 years ago while still a novice, Eubank Sr. Was saying "my son would beat Golovkin tomorrow." He would beat GGG tomorrow , but still needed a tune up fight before he challenged Saunders for a British title and lost!
Then he was offered 2 world title shots, a Saunders rematch , and as the mandatory , a shot at Jacobs. He decided to swerve both in order to fight for a British title for 10-15% of the money he would've earned for either of the World title fights. Then , after winning, he's asked about Golovkin and Snr. Said he's NOT ready. It also now appears that he'll probably have a rematch with Saunders , although negotiations have been, as ever with the Eubanks decidedly tricky.
So, as you can see , it's not easy to match GGG , you've tried with 4 names and none of them are likely, so imagine what it's like for his team.we shouldn't be talking about A avoiding B, let's focus on the fact that GGG has always said " put me in with any MW in the World."
As far as Mayweather goes, EVERYBODY tries to fight Mayweather, including Ward and Bernard Hopkins! This is an exception. He would like to fight Mayweather for the obvious riches and because Floyd is out there on his own.
For many of the same reasons I don't like the Ward fight, I don't like this one. They are different sized men, it borders on ridiculous. And let's be fair, GGG didn't exactly go hounding Mayweather and calling him out at every opportunity, he merely answered questions he was asked. There is a difference.

[Ron Swanson]

Look, anyone doubting they avoided Ward is blind. That's just obvious.

But there are others saying that GGGs team lies about their offers. BJS said they lied. I can't remember who else. Maybe some proof of offers is called for.

[palmerq]

is this on ppv ?

[IamInuit]

1. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Who has personally come out and said I will not fight GGG? I want to see the offer sheets his team has made to the top 10 contenders along with their rejection rejection letters before I just take the "everybody is ducking him" as gospel.

That is chronically misleading and frankly a bit of a soft attempt at a straw man argument. Actions speak louder than words Not openly saying anything during Golovkins rise by the pretenders is worse than saying something. Any of these other guys ever call the guy out?? When they were asked and actually gave a repose, it was either I leave that to Al Haymon or a lame attempt at condescension. Shit even Martinez ducked him which I partly understood at the time with Sergio being so close to retirement and having never got the major money fight himself. During this same time Kid Ovaltine would almost wet himself when the Kazaks name was mentioned. He ended up dropping his belt rather then unify because he had “bigger plans” only to fight the guy he dropped the belt for rather then fight who was Andy Lee and he couldn’t make weight. He then got blasted out by Jacobs who also incidentally passed on an opportunity for a unification fight with Golovkin in slippery ways. Cotto wanted nothing to do with him.And btw why should Golovkin be obligated to make these frauds offers? He's the real champ who is about to surpass Hopkins in defenses in half the time. He's the recognized real champion in the real world regardless of the perpetrators of the fraud like the Ring listing first Cotto now Alvarez ahead. That in and of itself speaks volumes concerning mediocrity being the new normal. I'm sure Lee's people were not calling Golovkin and the new trinket champ in Saunders has admitted credit to him that he's not in the same league. The only other trinket holder that had the nut sack to fight this guy was David Lemieux and he did so 4 months after winning the thing.
Now, rumours are starting to circulate that after the Alvarez/Khan fraud, Alvarez will be matched against Lemieux and Quillins name has also popped up. Does anyone actually believe that Alvarez is not ducking Golovkin? The entire division has been ducking the guy for 5 years and he's cleaned it out of all the contenders while waiting for all the fakes to shit or get off the pot.

2. Andre Ward does fight. He fought in 2015 and 2016. Furthermore he has gone on record as saying GGG team turned down a fight with him in 2015.

Again skewing the facts. Andre Ward won a botched tournament more than 5 years ago and he ran out of opponents or big fights at 168. So instead of moving up to fight the likes of Kovalev or Stevenson at the time which was 2011 he starched out Chad Dawson who was 175 for close to a decade and then started his self imposed, delusional work to rule antics coming up with ridiculous suits against Goossen who got him everything. Yet after winning the tourney he said he's most likely going to 175. Shortly after that Stevenson and Kovalev arrived and he went on strike. While on strike and playing the victim card he started calling out Golovkin. Why would he start calling out Golovkin? Is it because Golovkin made a comment which was silly that he'd go from 154 to 175? Can you blame the guy for saying that after being ducked and ignored since he won the title? He most likely would have added a Siberian tiger to the list. Why was Ward claiming he'd go to 160 to fight Floyd? If Golovkin was American would this debate even be happening?


Reality does not make distinctions for individual perception. The facts speak for themselves. We'd be photographs on cement if not for gravity and the same applies here. It makes little difference to the truth on how many times its misrepresented.

[erics44]

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

^^^ this is a joke by the way, I was just repeating something someone else said on this thread that I found funny