All good points Beanz However I came to my own conclusions about it, as I'm sure Lyle and Miles and Walrus have as well. Our governments didn't co-opt us. We are giving our own views.

Of course all over the world there are people that try to take advantage. No one would disagree. And if course the military machines and special interests are behind this.

So you're saying though that even the conspiracy theorists' hallucinogenic ideas HAVENT EVEN BEGUN to imagine just how conspirational things are? It seems you have made a 180° on that point.

As for Eritrean, Somali, Djibouti, Sudanese, Yemeni, Afghani, ET AL "Syrian refugees"---

FUCK 'EM.


FUCK 'EM.