Creation vs Evolution

[El Kabong]

I can totally see that happening

Girl - "Ummm, yeah thanks for creating me and all but I just don't want to get involved with my creator...everythings fine now, sure, but if I piss you off there are plagues and all to go through...it's just not worth it, we can still be friends though"

[Kev]

I can totally see that happening

Girl - "Ummm, yeah thanks for creating me and all but I just don't want to get involved with my creator...everythings fine now, sure, but if I piss you off there are plagues and all to go through...it's just not worth it, we can still be friends though"

I think it was when HE told off Adam and Eve for wearing clothes that they both got a little freaked out.

Being ordered to take her clothes off and then being given a death sentance for eating a piece of fruit from a tree probably ruined his chances of getting laid by Eve I think.

If it happened today God would have had a restraining order put on him, and been charged with indecent behaviour :P

[X]

And when He committed mass murder "and the angel of the Lord walked through the Assyrian camp and killed one hundred and fifty thousand of them. And when they awaoke the next morning they found all the bodies"

[Kev]

And when He committed mass murder "and the angel of the Lord walked through the Assyrian camp and killed one hundred and fifty thousand of them. And when they awaoke the next morning they found all the bodies"

Guess God doesn't like the sand-niggers either

[El Kabong]

Nope he sure doesn't...and Allah doesn't like WASPs.....the bastard

[Von Milash]

do yuo guys really think the earliest humans, ie, adam and eve, looked exactly like we do?

Primative species lived. There's genetic proof of evolution. It would be stupid to think that we came from two lone people that were exactly like us.

Having said, that, I believe we were created from earlier forms, that there is a God and his hand lead evolution. so while I think we evolved, it was God that made it happen.

adam and ever were a parable representing the beginning in a way we could comprehend. They are a representation of the earliest humans God created.

[X]

If Adam and Eve were the first humans, and they had two sons (Cain and Abel) - how did Cain and Abel have their children?


EEEWWWWW

[Von Milash]

that's a key question that even the best theologians can't answer. It also said that God would protect him and his wife from the others. Where'd she come from? Aren't there only suposed to be 4 total? and where did the others come from? Who are they?

See, I believe the Bible tells a story that picks up where it would have left off if a previous chapter had been written. Thus, the story of Adam and Eve aren't part of the VERY beginning, but God made them the main characters and starts the story there.

[luvfightgame]

Primative species lived. There's genetic proof of evolution. It would be stupid to think that we came from two lone people that were exactly like us.

There is no genetic proof of evolution. 0 none zip zero. Even the evolutionists agree they have 0 evidence. It is entirely speculation, and they have proven much of the so called evidence to be fakes. Every "caveman" species has been 100% proven to be faked. The museums and textbooks never point this out though.

Actually the Bible says the opposite is happening, we are getting worse, not better, we have drastically shorter lifespans etc... Adam and Eve lived over 900 years. The account of their geneology only tells about some of them. It doesn't say that Cain and Able were the only children. It specifically says they had sons and daughters. How many kids can you have in 900 years

[Von Milash]

think what you want. linking us to apes is a basic third year genetics lecture.

as a matter of fact, they just founds the remains of a girl who had skeletal structures consistent with both apes and humans. guess you missed it.

[Von Milash]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060920/...ia_fossil_dc_1

[luvfightgame]

think what you want. linking us to apes is a basic third year genetics lecture.

as a matter of fact, they just founds the remains of a girl who had skeletal structures consistent with both apes and humans. guess you missed it.

News reports regularly feature evolutionary “missing link” stories, as evidence of either human or animal evolution. Piltdown man, Neanderthal man, Cro-magnon man, Java man, “Lucy,” Ramapithecus, Nebraska man, the Tourmai fossil … have all been touted as “missing links” at some time. Nebraska man was a pig's tooth, Piltdown man was a fraud, and the others are either human or ape — not “missing links.”

The new one will most likely suffer the same fate. It is ironic how whenever a "missing link" is found they publish it immediately and never correct it when it doesn't hold under scrutiny. It is very sad that a third year genetics lecture would be based upon false information. Anyone who presents evolution as anything other than a theory is completely lying. There is no solid evidence.

[Kev]

that's a key question that even the best theologians can't answer. It also said that God would protect him and his wife from the others. Where'd she come from? Aren't there only suposed to be 4 total? and where did the others come from? Who are they?

See, I believe the Bible tells a story that picks up where it would have left off if a previous chapter had been written. Thus, the story of Adam and Eve aren't part of the VERY beginning, but God made them the main characters and starts the story there.

Ok I'll try and answer all of the questions that you posed.

First of all that Adam and Eve could not be true. Why not? Even if you believe purely in athiestic evolution there still had to be the first something right? Your belief that everything evolved from something before it still only leads you so far. Eventually you are going to have to go back to the very first single cell that somehow spontaneously popped into existence, amazingly not only managing to survive in this hostile hell hole with not a single other lifeform on the entire planet but even more amazingly managed to make a perfect duplicate copy of itself, which in turn also survived to make another perfect copy and then a few of these copies then decided to join together forming a group of cells and then replicated themselves again.

Of course this now means that life must be busy evolving on the moon as we speak seeing as mankind visited bringing all kinds of bacteria's with them. Somewhere on the moon they must be a little dust footstep that's just teaming with life and if left alone for a few million years will suddenly turn into some kind of moondust eating sand burrowing creature.

In fact it's amazing that modern medicane works at all when you consider that these 'cells' are just popping into existence all of the time. Sorry, whats that you say, they dont pop into existence any more? Oh ok so it just happened the one time only, 3.8 billion years ago, and amazingly this little cell guy really had a lucky streak, not only staying alive but evolving into everything on earth! Just imagine, seeing as he was the only lifeform ever to spontaneously appear in all of time how lucky it was that he made it!

Surely it's much easier to believe the whole of just one single species can be traced back to a single couple, than it is to believe every living thing on earth can be traced back to one single cell?

Eventually this little cell all on it's own had evolved to become every living piece of flora, fauna, bacteria and virus on the planet. You could say the boy done good!

As for suggesting it would be stupid to suggest we all came from one woman, I guess you are unaware that science now actually agrees! Do a google search for the Eve hypothesis and you will learn how mitochondrial DNA has been traced back to it's earliest source, a single women living in the remote past, that's not me talking, that is what science now knows to be true!

Of course you will also now that regarding the naming of Adam and Eve, Adam is taking from the Hebrew word Adamah which literally means 'ruddy, and of the soil', referring to Adam being composed of the dust of the earth, another proven scientific truth as well.

Eve, literally means, 'the mother of all living', which again as mitochondrial dnd research by evolutionists has revealed is also true.

Regarding Cain finding a wife, this is really no difficulty whatsoever. Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters so Cain simply would have married his own sister.

This may sound immorral or abhorrent to us living now but as evolutionists will tell you, isolated populations always interbreed, and at the beginning of creation conditions very likely were very different from today so this is really not a question at all.

It's also interesting to note that when you actually look at what we absolutely know as historical fact, the bible is not at variance with any of it but evolution has major hurdles to overcome.

Firstly take the age of man. According to the bible humans have been around for several thousand years, maybe 10000, according to science homo sapien's our species has been around for as long as 250,000 years with the oldest anatomically modern human, so a man in the modern sense being 190,000 years.

Yet civilisation's go back only 6 thousand years or so, incidently about the same time as the bible says 8 people got off of the ark.

Evolutionists have to provide a satisfactory answer as to why, if completely modern humans, identical to ourselves with the same brain and intelligence have been around for 200,000 years, did they only decide 6000 years ago, 'You know what, this living in caves lark is S***, lets go build us a city!'.

How can you possibly explain a 200,000 year gap where modern humans did absolutely F*** all, and then overnight suddenly developed civilisations all over the world?

Interestingly why do population growth charts for humans only go back to around 8000 years? I guess for the first 200,000 years they decided to keep their numbers real small becuase they only had so much room in their cave's, then when they built cities they thought, 'You know waht we can start having children now,!'

As regards your story of the baby 'girl' this is completely misleading. The naming of the fossil and calling it a 'girl' gives a completely misleading picture that this baby was just like us.

Of course the Australopithecines were actually fully apes, with the fact as to whether or not they were bipedel still being debated to this day. There is no suggestion if you actually study the evolutionary literature to suggest this actually looked even remotely like a modern human.

[luvfightgame]

Impressive post for a hobbit

You know your stuff brother.

In addition to civilizations going back less than 10,000 years. So are the oldest known desert (which grows every year) , and the oldest trees.

Another very damaging problem for the millions of year old Earth, is the fact that the rotation of the Earth is slowing down. If you take the rate of decline and multiply it by anything more than 10,000 years, you come up with a figure that would cause the Earth to have such a high rate of rotation that the gravity would be too strong for any life to have evolved.

Guess that's what happened to the dinosaurs..... They got squished to death....

[Kev]

Impressive post for a hobbit

You know your stuff brother.

In addition to civilizations going back less than 10,000 years. So are the oldest known desert (which grows every year) , and the oldest trees.

Another very damaging problem for the millions of year old Earth, is the fact that the rotation of the Earth is slowing down. If you take the rate of decline and multiply it by anything more than 10,000 years, you come up with a figure that would cause the Earth to have such a high rate of rotation that the gravity would be too strong for any life to have evolved.

Guess that's what happened to the dinosaurs..... They got squished to death....

Ha, don't even get me started on the dinosaurs!

How the evolutinary community has managed to cover up the co-existence of man and dinosaurs is so completely beyond me it's untrue!

We all grow up learning about dragons and strange lizard and reptile beasts, legend past down from generation to generation from practically ever race of people's on earth.

They dig up pieces of pottery with dinosaurs on them, dinosaurs are carved into ancient buildings, found in cave art, tapestries, anicent writings, every bloody where yet scientists have managed to make people believe that dinosaurs died out 65,000,000 years ago and that the tales of encounters between men and dragons are just fanciful myths.

The funniest thing I ever read was when one evolutionist claimed that Herodotus was clearly familiar with the fossil record as he reported sightings of flying pterydactuls that matched precisely the way that scientists have reconstructed them!

I guess the person who was responsible for carving a stegasauros onto wall pillar in the temple of Angkor Watt some 900 years ago was clearly an amatuer palaeontologist too!