We finally have some deserving people on boxing's p4p list

[Fenster]

I don't even think heavyweights should be on P4P lists as Fury could literally kill all the men below him.

But even so, skill and ability has to be taken into account. Has Chocolatito or Golovkin beat a bigger name than Wlad? No. Is there any serious boxing fans that watch Fury and believe he is "P4P" a superior boxer than those two? Of course not unless you're borderline insane.

Tell the truth - you're really unhappy that Brook is rated above Khan. And for the record - Brook will put him to kip if they fight.

[SlimTrae]

The P4P lists I've made doesn't always factor in skill.

The will to win has no scale to measure. Guys like Marcos Maidana to James Kirkland while on their terror spree were better than the current 5-10 ranked fighters today.

A 35-0 Aaron Pryor would make my P4P list today, but the truth is Pryor at times was wreckless, frequently threw off balance. But he won, chasing and calling out guys like Ray Leonard never given a chance other than the Explosive thin man.

I'd say the most talented and skilled fighters today do so much haggling, catchweight fighting that it diminishes their accolades making them unworthy to crack my list.

[Spicoli]

Did Gonzalez really look like the #1 p4p fighter in the world last time out? I was surprised how many shots he took late and never caught a second wind. Alvarez doesn't belong on a p4p list, really think that's more to do with a marketing sales tag and even GB promotion.

[palmerq]

Did Gonzalez really look like the #1 p4p fighter in the world last time out? I was surprised how many shots he took late and never caught a second wind. Alvarez doesn't belong on a p4p list, really think that's more to do with a marketing sales tag and even GB promotion.

Well alvarez does have wins over Lara, trout, cotto and kirkland all within recent memory, that is pretty high level of competition. Cotto is past his best but I would think he could still beat a lot of top contenders at the new weird 155 weight class :S, in my opinion Trout and lara are two very good boxers and errr Kirkland is Kirkland I guess he's nothing special but it's still a nice win... I am certainly no boxing expert and I don't really give much thought to p4p lists but I would say alvarez and his run of opponents puts him in the discussion for a top ten place.....

I concur about Gonazalezs last performance, I like him and think he is really great but after watching that fight and hearing he is moving up in weight fairly soon, I think a defeat is near for him, he will not make it to 50-0. It looked to me like his offence is based around being able to overwhelm the opponent, and I would think once he moves up the missed power shots and shots he takes will add up on him more and he will struggle and eventually lose..

so errr in conclusion i really have no idea what i am talking about, i completely the forgot the point of the post .

[Spicoli]

Did Gonzalez really look like the #1 p4p fighter in the world last time out? I was surprised how many shots he took late and never caught a second wind. Alvarez doesn't belong on a p4p list, really think that's more to do with a marketing sales tag and even GB promotion.

Well alvarez does have wins over Lara, trout, cotto and kirkland all within recent memory, that is pretty high level of competition. Cotto is past his best but I would think he could still beat a lot of top contenders at the new weird 155 weight class :S, in my opinion Trout and lara are two very good boxers and errr Kirkland is Kirkland I guess he's nothing special but it's still a nice win... I am certainly no boxing expert and I don't really give much thought to p4p lists but I would say alvarez and his run of opponents puts him in the discussion for a top ten place.....

I concur about Gonazalezs last performance, I like him and think he is really great but after watching that fight and hearing he is moving up in weight fairly soon, I think a defeat is near for him, he will not make it to 50-0. It looked to me like his offence is based around being able to overwhelm the opponent, and I would think once he moves up the missed power shots and shots he takes will add up on him more and he will struggle and eventually lose..

so errr in conclusion i really have no idea what i am talking about, i completely the forgot the point of the post .

I liked the Cotto win. Regardless of catchweight and two non middles fighting for THE title, it was a solid fight for Alvarez. Full respect. Now the Trout fight was ok but personally I think we saw a lot of the soon to be revealed limitations of Alvarez there vs say a Mayweather or a Lara when facing a near pure boxer type. He needed to show that boxer-puncher pressure pay off with a poor mans blueprint in Trout and what he did instead was coast at end. I'm still not convinced the Lara 'w' was all that spectacular or even clear. Call me nuts but I think Maidana 1 and Guerrero won more legit rounds vs Mayweather than Canelo. Kirkland was there to make Canelo look like a destroyer and his capable boxing just let him literally run into punches after initial burst. Same for Angulo where it was laughable that Canelo needed to "adjust" contract with added weight just 24 hrs prior to bell vs a guy Lara had just beat to the point of having a second forehead. Dude is a decent boxer and not saying he is without talent, but if this supposed all star has a second gear I have yet to see it. Smashing a bloated welter tomorrow night won't help the cause.

[Alpha]

We are currently at a time when the P4P debate is wide open. A clear P4P #1 is not so easy to define in my opinion. By my rough of the top count you could make an argument for at least 6 - 7 guys being able to make a case as the #1 guy.

In no particular order:
Loma
Crawford
Usyk
GGG
Mikey
Inoue
Wangek

There are others to like Spence for example who could be only 1 big win away from ending that bracket.

[powerpuncher]

I agree that Spence is a big fight away from being in the discussion for #1. Also, Kovalev is still a live dog. People have short memories. By most scoring the fight, he beat Ward the first fight. He had an embarrassing loss the second fight. He has still shown since that loss to be a great fighter. I have always and still do rate him higher than GGG. If he fights Bivol soon and beats him, he is for sure in the discussion.

The interesting thing to me is that Kovalev and GGG were my #1 and #2 a few years back. They have both dropped quite a bit on my list solely because others have just taken their spot.