Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Well to play Devil's Advocate....
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[B]Your point in devil's advocacy is IMO: understood. Myself I felt best to look at response(s) from Trump's team, not from my perspective.
Ryan calling his remark: textbook racism.
"I couldn't disagree more" From McConnell. ---- " I think it's inexcusable " Gingrich.----
"I don't condone his remarks"
---"Trump appeals to the racist tendencies in some people" Romney. --
" People keep asking me do I agree with Trump's comment on Curiel since I've endorsed him, he is making it hard on us". CorkerI
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I mean if Hillary Clinton can escape jail for travelgate, White Water, etc then this Trump University business is not even a scandal.
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You've made good points and at the end of the day all Trump has done is speculate,
I agree. He speculated. Surely he is aware when one does it aloud. To mainstream media.... They IMO won't move on to anything substantive. Distraction from real issues.
he has likewise speculated that he wouldn't get a "fair shake" from a Muslim judge....on the law side of things specifically the civil suit side of things this is how shit is done, no it's not a pretty thing, but even if it's a red herring it's something other than the topic at hand which the court system and/or plaintiff will have to address rather than the facts of the case.
Ryan, McConnell, Gingrich, they can all say what they feel, but Donald Trump has done his thing his way from the get go, he's true to himself and that is part of why go
.. I agree. It is just that I've never seen Republicans claim racist remarks from their own ranks. As with you, I won't quote those names as examples of fiscal conservatism or political success. But how are they not competent or capable of acknowledging racism? For those who may vote Gary Johnson the libertarian also know: Gary Johnson called Trump a racist. Conservative blogger Eric Ericsson same thing. Republican Ben Sassa said his party is corralling around a bigot.
My take: how can they all be wrong and only Trump supporters are the only people who truly know racism?
People like him in the world of politics. Trump is going to get HIS way by hook or by crook, and those guys especially Ryan and McConnell have promised plenty of things and they've failed to deliver and people who have voted for those guys have now said "Yeah, enough is enough and we are fed up with you. You're going to work with who
we say and you're going to fucking like it or you'll be out of a job"
I agree. These guys seem to have failed their constituency. I think you would know better than I on what and how they failed. I like Trump who speculated on Curiel: can only do the same with Republican politicians. IMO The Tea Party got knocked off Eric Cantor. Removed Boehner, brought in Cruz, Rubio and Rand P. These 3 to me...held true. Or did they fail too? No compromise, no raising debt ceiling, increased budgets. But..if they stood against such....then how could anything get passed by anybody?
I'm not suggesting what is being done to Trump is racial, TRUMP is suggesting that and not only that he's suggesting it's POLITICAL which he may have a point for
I agree. He had an idea of how mainstream media would react. IMO they won't let it go, so no real issues are brought up. Just echoing speculation & no explaining why so many have taken Trump to court. Just blame Trump as a racist then ignore the actual case, plaintiffs and Trump's unaffiliation with Republicans at the time the case moved forward...2010-2012.
I believe you can certainly win or lose a case due to politics else the Clinton's would have been under the jail for a while now (fyi White Water was a business crime and not political).
I agree.
It's just that I tend to think that Trump supporters will base their defense (s) of Trump's agenda on comparison. And possible Trump crime\issues on contrast.
Every topic- policy -agenda ..will be viewed as..
Trump's policy is better than Hillary, Scullery...[comparison]
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Trumps problems aren't worse than Hillery Dillery [contrast]
I will compare \contrast the two when they debate, until...how can I objectively vet Trump if I don't discuss his policies foreign & domestic. His temperament his wisdom to volatility. His views about minorities, religions.... America's vast demographics to guage the potential for unifying a severely fractured nation
As for the cases white vs black and white vs hispanic and the idea of losing cases based on "racial dislike" well I will say there's:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Hunt there's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...stopher_Newsom where it was a "racially motivated attack" but not considered a "hate crime" (meaning justice was served but a "separate but equal" kind of justice), and there's
DNA Clears Angel Gonzalez, Wrongly Convicted Man But Freedom Delayed - NBC News
I am not familiar with those cases, not sure if it got national attention. If those cases struck you as examples of racial dislike, I commend you for seeing injustice however it occurs.
In the end it doesn't HAVE to be a racial issue, it could just be political...
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