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Youve used the best example of how poor todays heavys are, Toney !!!

Yes Toney makes todays heavys look silly, the reason he makes them look silly is because hes an old ex middle.

His opponents in lower weights werent so poor against him because they could fight, they werent just reliant on their power.

Toney would have struggled with Mikes opponents back then, they werent plodders
This is an excellent point

The fact that Toney can live amongst the current heavyweights at age 38, with over 80 fights and being obese shows just how S*** the division is right now.

An even bigger shock is that when Hopkins a former 160 lber announced his intention to move up at AGE 41!!! to fight a 235 lb heavyweight champ in Maskaev the vast majority on this board think Hopkins would win easily.

That there tells you just how S*** the heavies are today!

If the trend continues expect to see Floyd Mayweather and even Manny Pacquio trying their luck in 4 or 5 years time :P
Not the old "sad state of the heavydivision crap again". The fact that Toney can survive with the heavies today doesn't say jack S*** about their talent level but instead it says everything about James toney's choice of opponents.

James Toney is cherry picking fights, he knows how to survive in this division and so far, he's done failry well at it. i remeber when Viatli offered James a 60/40 split and a shot at the WBC belt and Toney created some excuse not to bite. As a matter of fact, i don't think Toney has fought any of the current heavyweight title holders.

The media has created this redundant BS dribble about "the horrible heavy division" instead of writing articles that put pressure on the organizations to have a unification Tounament.


Of course everyone's going to want to fight Maskaev, he's almost 38 and he has a questionable past in the ring. How many of these overblown middle weights are dying to jump in the ring with Wlad

The division is not as bad as they say...the matchups however are.

I wouldn't be suprised though if we see more and more folks resorting to the good ole "sad state of the heavy division" statement as the Russian Heavies are not popular here in other countries.
Um, mucho testosterone, would you do me a favor and post a link of a source saying Toney turned down a 60/40 split with Vitaly, because I'm afraid I might have to pull your bullsh!t card on that one
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article9720.html

That's just one place...just one!

And after you read it you know what you can do with your bullshit card, right?

If not pm me and I'll give you directions!