Britain vote to leave the EU

[superheavyrhun]

Sorry Lyle, and I don't mean to sound dismissive, but the context of the US is very different to the UK. I know I have opinions on the US political situation, and you of course have opinions about the UK situation, but we are two very different beasts.

Our economy simply doesn't have the population to use to be able to keep so much domestic product within its borders, which the United States does. We have to have imports to maintain our current way of life, and once the tariffs from the EU start to kick in, we will be exporting less, plus those that export to us will likely have reciprocal tariffs which will make everything more expensive for everyone in this country.

Look, in my view the atmosphere here over the last 12 months has become increasingly toxic, and while I was never there, my knowledge of history can't help but make a comparison with the swing to the far right in Germany in the early 1930s.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

[Andre]

Did most people on the ground there basically see it as a vote for a free market without having to pay a massive cut to a middle man?
This initial fear based market drop will come back up. Time to work within and go for quality over quantity eh?

[Beanz]

The amount of bigoted small minded bullshit from many already on the first day is really disheartening. For those not from the UK or not living in the UK seriously we have had enough of being told what to do from people whose experience of being part of the EU is based on nothing but third hand bullshit and propaganda by manipulative self serving career politicians. It almost seems now that it is fine not only to be finally out as the bigot and racist that many always were, but to also be proud of it as though being isolationist extends to dismissing any opinion but their own, This was a very close vote not a case of the overwhelming majority wanting to leave. Young people have been F888ed over by crusty old deluded people pining after a glorious era that never was. It was shit in the 70's with racists in every school and xenophobia, sexism and general ignorance being the norm, not something to pine over.

Farage, Boris, Gove and IDS do not speak for me, they do not speak for my brothers Belgian girlfriend, my British friends living and working in Europe, they do not speak for young people, the disabled, teachers, doctors, my kids or grandkids or in fact anyone I know so don't lecture us on democracy. The NHS will be replaced by Private insurance, The education system already reeling will go down the pan along with my day job. Here in the westcountry we already had to rely on Europe to remind London we existed with our unique needs, and now will end up as little more then holiday homes for the elite that the small minded Brexiteers in here pretended to be deposing. We are f888ed.

[superheavyrhun]

Did most people on the ground there basically see it as a vote for a free market without having to pay a massive cut to a middle man?
This initial fear based market drop will come back up. Time to work within and go for quality over quantity eh?

The campaign actually had very little to do with what will actually be achieved by the exit from the EU. The topic that came up time and again was immigration, and the free movement of people. However, if we want the access to the free market of the EU, then free movement of people goes intrinsically with that, and if we want one without the other, the tariffs will be punitative.

The other aspect to the debate was the funding sent to the EU. Not only did we have a rebate and contribute less of our GDP as a percentage than any other country in the EU, the money that came back went to the poorest areas and most important industries. The question is, do we really believe that the wealthy English elite will give a flying f*** if Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland suffer without the support of a greater organization. Frankly, we are in a situation now where the wealthy will consolidate, and the poorest will suffer with rising prices and salaries that come nowhere near to keeping up with that inflation.

[Andre]

Did most people on the ground there basically see it as a vote for a free market without having to pay a massive cut to a middle man?
This initial fear based market drop will come back up. Time to work within and go for quality over quantity eh?

The campaign actually had very little to do with what will actually be achieved by the exit from the EU. The topic that came up time and again was immigration, and the free movement of people. However, if we want the access to the free market of the EU, then free movement of people goes intrinsically with that, and if we want one without the other, the tariffs will be punitative.

The other aspect to the debate was the funding sent to the EU. Not only did we have a rebate and contribute less of our GDP as a percentage than any other country in the EU, the money that came back went to the poorest areas and most important industries. The question is, do we really believe that the wealthy English elite will give a flying f*** if Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland suffer without the support of a greater organization. Frankly, we are in a situation now where the wealthy will consolidate, and the poorest will suffer with rising prices and salaries that come nowhere near to keeping up with that inflation.

I see,
You are right they never did give a fuck they wont change now.

[X]

People remember where they were when Kennedy was shot.

People remember where they were when the Berlin Wall came down.

On this equally momentous day, when the UK voted to leave the European Union ..... I was lighting dog farts down the pub. 🤔

[superheavyrhun]

Seriously, what kind of pub allows you to light dog farts? The EU certainly would not allow that kind of activity at a pub....

[X]

I live in Somerset now. It was either that or burning a witch.