GGG v Kell Brook 10th September - confirmed

[Primo Carnera]

Let's forget MW, who would you have Kell beating of the huge 154 guys?

Ell Charlo?
All Charlo?
Andrade?
Lara?
Martirosyan?
JRock?
Nelson?

I think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.

However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.

Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?

Saunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.

From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.

Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH

Ron, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.

[Silkeyjoe]

Let's forget MW, who would you have Kell beating of the huge 154 guys?

Ell Charlo?
All Charlo?
Andrade?
Lara?
Martirosyan?
JRock?
Nelson?

I think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.

However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.

Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?

Saunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.

From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.

Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH

Ron, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.

Yea I havent seen anyone on this forum defend the fight as a decent fight. Im saying the MW division is shite. GGG is the best by far. Then you have Jacobs, Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Saunders, Lemieux and Quillin. Outside that is there anyone that would be awful fights for Brook to take? (I actually think Brook v 2016 Cotto wis very competitive). Since none of these guys will fight GGG why is Brook any worse than the leftovers in the MW? Looking at it from GGGs POV what other options did he have where he would get as much money?

Id much prefer to see him fight a top 154 fighter or 168 fighter but your acting like GGG is ducking someone. Hes the champ. He hasnt vacated to avoid anyone and he hasnt ducked any mandatorys. If every champions behaved the way GGG did the sport would be a lot better.

[Ron Swanson]

Let's forget MW, who would you have Kell beating of the huge 154 guys?

Ell Charlo?
All Charlo?
Andrade?
Lara?
Martirosyan?
JRock?
Nelson?

I think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.

However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.

Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?

Saunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.

From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.

Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH

Ron, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.

Yea I havent seen anyone on this forum defend the fight as a decent fight. Im saying the MW division is shite. GGG is the best by far. Then you have Jacobs, Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Saunders, Lemieux and Quillin. Outside that is there anyone that would be awful fights for Brook to take? (I actually think Brook v 2016 Cotto wis very competitive). Since none of these guys will fight GGG why is Brook any worse than the leftovers in the MW? Looking at it from GGGs POV what other options did he have where he would get as much money?

Id much prefer to see him fight a top 154 fighter or 168 fighter but your acting like GGG is ducking someone. Hes the champ. He hasnt vacated to avoid anyone and he hasnt ducked any mandatorys. If every champions behaved the way GGG did the sport would be a lot better.

First let me reply to Primo. If you are asking who he should fight right now then you are missing the point. He is 34. In this day everyone gets a belt right? Well in his 35 fights he has fought 4 guys who have ever won a MW title. Any MW title, vacant, interim, anything. 3 of those 4 won 1 time and lost every other time. One guy won 5 making a total of 8 championship fight wins by ALL his opponents! And that's 8 wins versus 34 losses! The guy that won 5, he is 0-3 in the USA. He didn't see the final bell once, he QUIT more than once. So even that guy isn't a real champion. GGGs ledger is hot garbage, the whole damn thing. 5 years ago I loved guy. Now I can't stand him. Who should he fight right now, I don't know. I'm more concerned with how his entire career is set up not to get big fights. They get the date, get the venue then fill in the opponent. That's a great way to stay busy but that is the last way to make big fights. But if I had to answer who he should fight right now I would say Lara, hehas called for the fight for years.

As for SilkieJoes comment, so every boxer should be 34 never having fought good fighters? Your view of how the sport should be is an idea I fear is coming.

[Ron Swanson]

Should I write out the times I can think of GGGs team lying? I don't want to look them all up but I have a decent list on the top of my head. No doubt, no debate lies.

[Silkeyjoe]

Should I write out the times I can think of GGGs team lying? I don't want to look them all up but I have a decent list on the top of my head. No doubt, no debate lies.

Every team lies though. Everyone in boxing talks shite. If every fighter worked there ways to mandatorys, won titles and defended against mandatories wouldnt boxing just be so much easier. No one could duck anyone. If you want to fight someone you earn that fight and thats that.

This problem of mismatches only exists because fans let it exist. If people stopped paying to watch mismatches then fighters/promoters would be forced to take the toughest opponents.

Id love to see GGG jump to 175 to fight the winner of Ward v Kov. That would redeem him from this rubbish

[Silkeyjoe]

And no every fighter should not be 34 without fighting anyone decent. In my view if you have a mandatory you fight him. If you refuse you get a fine and a ban.

[smashup]

This is what Hearn said the Problem was with Eubank Snr.....................

Earlier, promoter Eddie Hearn took to Radio 5 live in the U.K. to shed some light on the sudden and dramatic switch. “The problem was that Chris Eubank Sr. wanted operational control of the show,” revealed the Matchroom boss.

“He wanted to select his own ticket prices, his own undercard … talking about security and hotels. I don’t need that hassle — that’s what we do, that’s what we’ve done for 30 years.”

Eubank Jr. has since claimed via social media that he hadn’t “been shown one contract” which, if the above list of demands is anything to go by, hardly comes as a surprise.

According to Hearn, the unbeaten Brook agreed to face Golovkin inside 24 hours.

[smashup]

Gotta give Hearn props for getting this Brook fight sorted and here in London

For many years it was Frank Warren who controlled British boxing. The promoter, who was once shot, cemented his place as the man when he took his stable over to Sky back in 1995. At that point his stable included Naseem Hamed, Frank Bruno and Nigel Benn. One of the numerous promoters he saw off in the battle for control of British boxing was Barry Hearn who he eventually signed Chris Eubank Sr. His dominance continued into the first decade of the 21st century as he oversaw the rise of Joe Calzaghe, Amir Khan and Ricky Hatton. A few years later and it was all change. The son of Barry, Eddie Hearn got his promoting license in early 2011 and his deal with Sky in 2012 has led to him signing some of the best talent Britain had to offer. Also in 2011, Frank Warren ended his relationship with Sky and created his own subscription service BoxNation which has affected the bottom line of some of his fighters. Many of Frank Warren’s fighters chose to leave and sign with Hearn including Tony Bellew, George Groves and James DeGale. As well as having more world champions, Eddie has looked to build strong links with the thriving British amateur scene, making him favorite to bag any impressive British amateur boxer.

Frank Warren, although the dominant British promoter for a long period, arguably made many mistakes with his fighters. Eddie Hearn seems to have done his best to learn from them. Of course despite his mistakes, Frank Warren made many of them World Champions. Ricky Hatton expressed disappointment at how he was promoted following the Kostya Tzuyu bout. Ricky Hatton wanted to crack America and Frank was struggling to help him do it. Amir Khan also left Frank after beating Dmitriy Salita to go and crack America, signing with Golden Boy. Eddie Hearn made sure Anthony Joshua’s first defense came against an American opponent in order to help build that market and signed a television deal with Showtime. Joe Calzaghe always wished that Frank Warren took risks with him earlier. He felt late in his career he got the fights he had been clamoring for the whole time. Eddie Hearn listened to Anthony Crolla who wanted to continue riding the wave of form and box Jorge Linares rather than taking an easier voluntary defense.

Eddie Hearn has managed to enter himself into one of the biggest fights in 2016. Gennady Golovkin is one of the five biggest names in the sport and he will be fighting a boxer from the Matchroom stable. It will be Kell Brook, the welterweight champion, rather than Chris Eubank Jr. or even James DeGale who is closer in fight weight to Golovkin than Brook. The fight came about when Eddie Hearn complained to Kell Brook about the stalling of his proposed fight with Jesse Vargas and that of Eubank against Golovkin. Hearn stated if only you were middleweight, you could fight Golovkin. Brook jumped at the opportunity and soon the fight was signed, shocking most of the boxing world. Hearn has learnt that the best risks to take are those where even a loss will not hinder a career. No one will think any worse of Brook if he loses this fight. Frank Warren always said he aimed to put his fighters in a strong position before there was a high chance it went “tits up.” Eddie watched Frank run British boxing only to take the model and improve on it. British boxing has never been stronger and the fights that Eddie Hearn has been part of over the last 18 months are a big reason why.

[Master]

The US viewers are not paying for this fight but the British are?

Thank you Hearn for selling us a mismatch.

[Primo Carnera]

Let's forget MW, who would you have Kell beating of the huge 154 guys?

Ell Charlo?
All Charlo?
Andrade?
Lara?
Martirosyan?
JRock?
Nelson?

I think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.

However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.

Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?

Saunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.

From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.

Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH

Ron, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.

Yea I havent seen anyone on this forum defend the fight as a decent fight. Im saying the MW division is shite. GGG is the best by far. Then you have Jacobs, Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Saunders, Lemieux and Quillin. Outside that is there anyone that would be awful fights for Brook to take? (I actually think Brook v 2016 Cotto wis very competitive). Since none of these guys will fight GGG why is Brook any worse than the leftovers in the MW? Looking at it from GGGs POV what other options did he have where he would get as much money?

Id much prefer to see him fight a top 154 fighter or 168 fighter but your acting like GGG is ducking someone. Hes the champ. He hasnt vacated to avoid anyone and he hasnt ducked any mandatorys. If every champions behaved the way GGG did the sport would be a lot better.

First let me reply to Primo. If you are asking who he should fight right now then you are missing the point. He is 34. In this day everyone gets a belt right? Well in his 35 fights he has fought 4 guys who have ever won a MW title. Any MW title, vacant, interim, anything. 3 of those 4 won 1 time and lost every other time. One guy won 5 making a total of 8 championship fight wins by ALL his opponents! And that's 8 wins versus 34 losses! The guy that won 5, he is 0-3 in the USA. He didn't see the final bell once, he QUIT more than once. So even that guy isn't a real champion. GGGs ledger is hot garbage, the whole damn thing. 5 years ago I loved guy. Now I can't stand him. Who should he fight right now, I don't know. I'm more concerned with how his entire career is set up not to get big fights. They get the date, get the venue then fill in the opponent. That's a great way to stay busy but that is the last way to make big fights. But if I had to answer who he should fight right now I would say Lara, hehas called for the fight for years.

As for SilkieJoes comment, so every boxer should be 34 never having fought good fighters? Your view of how the sport should be is an idea I fear is coming.

Firstly Ron, you say I'm missing the point, but I'm not. I've asked you the question in the past a few times, and it's always the same story, nobody wants it, and people fuck him about stalling the negotiations because they don't really want it.
The only person that you've championed to fight him is the "elephant in the room!", yes , Andre Ward!
The problem is that was never a realistic proposition for many reasons I have given in the past, and we are always going to agree to disagree on that.
I do think though , as I said earlier, I think the time has come to chase Degale, Ramirez, and any other top SMW's. Or indeed Ward if he comes back down to 168lb. Anything else would be as much a circus act as Brook v GGG & Canelo v Khan.
Don't hold your breath on it happening though .
Btw , before everyone waxes lyrical about Ward manning up to fight Kovalev, it hasn't actually happened yet.

[Silkeyjoe]

I also think Ward was forced into manning up. He tried as long as he could to do what Canelo and GGG have done. Get a smaller guy to fight him for big money but it just wasnt happening for him. I agree. If its not Canelo after Brook he has to move on and go after the 168s.

[erics44]

just youtubed some GGG highlights and hes better than I remember


as in, ive seen all the fights before and my memory knows he is good bit when I watch them again I remind myself that he is better than I remember

[erics44]

Anyway, I realised what has happened


Eddie Hearn has shot himself in the foot trying to get back at the Eubanks


he's having a difficult time with them, arranges a contract, they wont have it so he thinks right - who should I give this to just to piss them off


now one of his cash cows looks to be getting beat and the eubanks have a valid excuse of not fighting GGG and it cant be said that they ducked

[Kirkland Laing]

If you're Eddie Hearn why would you make this fight? I'm not surprised the Eubanks bottled it, I am really surprised Brook took it but I'm most surprised of all why he got offered it in the first place. Maybe it's commercial pressure from Sky to come up with a big PPV event but it's not going to do Brook's career any good.

And I don't think it's to set up another PPV with Eubank afterwards, if he didn't sign for the first fight why would he sign for the second one? And he's only got one fight left on his matchroom deal and his idiot dad will probably have him back fighting in shopping centres after that fight.

But why make this fight other than you're getting pressure from Sky? It could easily be a career ender for Brook. If he's able to stand up to Golovkin's power and get through the first couple of rounds he's going to get an absolute battering.

[Batman]

Maybe if he cops a twatting from GGG then the Americans will be falling over themselves to fight him and get his belt.