Freddie Roach great trainer: Overated, Underated or Truly Great?

[SlimTrae]

I'd imagine. Roach's health would have him retire soon. Unless he and PAC are poor hittin' 'em.

When Arum, then recently Roach state they'd like Manny to fight two more times...
I've read many a trainer asking their prized pupil to walk away...its time.
But never read a trainer saying...not now. C'mon, just two more....minimum.
IMO:

Despicable.

[denilson200]

Overrated ? No.

Roach trained the fighter (who in my opinion) came the closest to beating Floyd when he trained Oscar for only 1 fight. Oscar was able to get a decision on one judge despite being faded already in his career and Jr. was in his prime.

I do think too many fighters believe Roach is a miracle coach and by switching to him it means automatic success and that is so far from the truth.

They need to continue putting in their work in the gym and outside the gym to get the results.

People can say “Roach is not that good because he gets the finished product”

But is Tyronn Lue an average coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers because he gets the finished product?

Is coach of the Brazil soccer team an average coach because he gets the finished product ?

Also being a great coach/trainer is not about devising tactics, it's also to do with understanding people, keeping people happy. Making sure there are no beefs. This is even more so with boxers.

At one time Roach had Mike Tyson. Jame Toney. Johnny Tapia all at the same time, all under his wing, all training at his gym and all getting on.

I mean that must take some skill keeping those happy. He got good results out of all of them. But dealing with those 4 personalities in training and trying to keep them focused is a gruelling task.

I think he did great with Chavez and totally reborn Cotto in an offensive predator like his early pre-margs days until he ran into Canelo

How many fighters has Floyd sr taken to the top besides his son? The dude has never been successful with any other fighters unlike roach

I would rate Nacho Beristain and Nazim Richardson alongside Roach as the best trainers of their generation.