GGG's Next Opponent

[El Kabong]

It SHOULD be Canelo, should have always been Canelo but he's not going to take the fight.

With that being the case his options at Middle are: Jacobs, Eubank Jr., and BJS.

At Supermiddle: Ward, Ramirez, De Gale



.....and of course there's always the hope that Floyd Mayweather Jr. decides now is the time to fight GGG but that is never going to happen

[Ron Swanson]

It SHOULD be Canelo, should have always been Canelo but he's not going to take the fight.

With that being the case his options at Middle are: Jacobs, Eubank Jr., and BJS.

At Supermiddle: Ward, Ramirez, De Gale



.....and of course there's always the hope that Floyd Mayweather Jr. decides now is the time to fight GGG but that is never going to happen

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

[El Kabong]

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

[Ron Swanson]

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

Andrade would beat Canelo without a doubt. I forget which Charlo is the good one but he would beat Canelo too. J-Rock might beat him, Lara might beat him, he'll the other Charlo might beat him. There is a reason Canelo went to 155, to ravoid the best guys at 154. If he was at 154 he'd become a mandatory to one of the guys that would beat him. There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

As for all the talk talk talk about championships, they only matter to historians. In truth all that matters is who you fight. Hopkins isn't a legend because of his defenses against shlubs. He's a legend for who all he fought wins and loses. All the excuses in the world and all the title defenses don't change the fact that GGGs ledger is crap. Where is his great fight? When will it come? The answer is when he fights someone on his level. If he needs to go to 170 to get a good fight he should do it. The dude is 34 years old and his best opponent is a WW that moved up on 2 months notice. A WW that himself had only ever fought one good fighter. I don't want GGG to retire and think "I thought you were great but I have no f'n clue because your ledger is shit". Years ago I said this man was special, I want to know if I was right.

[chef97]

I'd favor GGG and his punching power (23 straight wins by KO) over the other 160 title holders ; Daniel Jacobs 32-1 (29 KO), Billy Joe Saunders 23-0 (12 KO) or Chris Eubank Jr. 23-1 (18 KO).... GGG said in his post fight interview that he'd go back to the UK to fight BJS and I think that's where the money would be too.... Eubank Jr. already priced himself out of a fight w/ GGG.... However, I think potentially the most exciting fight would be Jacobs vs GGG....

Just my take....

[Primo Carnera]

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

Andrade would beat Canelo without a doubt. I forget which Charlo is the good one but he would beat Canelo too. J-Rock might beat him, Lara might beat him, he'll the other Charlo might beat him. There is a reason Canelo went to 155, to ravoid the best guys at 154. If he was at 154 he'd become a mandatory to one of the guys that would beat him. There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

As for all the talk talk talk about championships, they only matter to historians. In truth all that matters is who you fight. Hopkins isn't a legend because of his defenses against shlubs. He's a legend for who all he fought wins and loses. All the excuses in the world and all the title defenses don't change the fact that GGGs ledger is crap. Where is his great fight? When will it come? The answer is when he fights someone on his level. If he needs to go to 170 to get a good fight he should do it. The dude is 34 years old and his best opponent is a WW that moved up on 2 months notice. A WW that himself had only ever fought one good fighter. I don't want GGG to retire and think "I thought you were great but I have no f'n clue because your ledger is shit". Years ago I said this man was special, I want to know if I was right.

This is all well and good if you're trying to justify GGG As an ATG, but who's trying to do that? He's a good champ, easily the best of his division, who may be capable of going up a division, but nowadays it's easy to avoid someone.
Technically he has his faults and due to the lack of opposition, will never be seen as an ATG.
Not everybody can be an ATG.

[Master]

It will be Jacobs, BJS, and Canelo in that order.

[Rantcatrat]

It SHOULD be Canelo, should have always been Canelo but he's not going to take the fight.

With that being the case his options at Middle are: Jacobs, Eubank Jr., and BJS.

At Supermiddle: Ward, Ramirez, De Gale



.....and of course there's always the hope that Floyd Mayweather Jr. decides now is the time to fight GGG but that is never going to happen

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

Andrade would beat Canelo without a doubt. I forget which Charlo is the good one but he would beat Canelo too. J-Rock might beat him, Lara might beat him, he'll the other Charlo might beat him. There is a reason Canelo went to 155, to ravoid the best guys at 154. If he was at 154 he'd become a mandatory to one of the guys that would beat him. There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

As for all the talk talk talk about championships, they only matter to historians. In truth all that matters is who you fight. Hopkins isn't a legend because of his defenses against shlubs. He's a legend for who all he fought wins and loses. All the excuses in the world and all the title defenses don't change the fact that GGGs ledger is crap. Where is his great fight? When will it come? The answer is when he fights someone on his level. If he needs to go to 170 to get a good fight he should do it. The dude is 34 years old and his best opponent is a WW that moved up on 2 months notice. A WW that himself had only ever fought one good fighter. I don't want GGG to retire and think "I thought you were great but I have no f'n clue because your ledger is shit". Years ago I said this man was special, I want to know if I was right.

Canelo's promoter doesn't do business with PBC. While Smith might be the weakest titleholder at 154, he's the only one not affiliated with PBC. Canelo has wins over Lara and Trout and fought them when he didn't have to.

What is funny about all of this is the perceived most threatening at 154 won't fight each other to determine best in class, and they are all on the same side of the fence.

Unifying all four belts at a weight class in separate fights is an impressive feat. Is it as impressive as beating the best at the weight class above you? Maybe not. Nevertheless, it is impressive.

I think the best argument for remaining at 160 is Hagler. He stayed at 160 and he had the benefit of quality opponents moving up in weight, including Duran, Leonard, and Hearns, among others. Hagler, like GGG, was a natural middleweight. GGG doesn't balloon up in weight between fights. He stays about 10 pounds within 160 pounds, and he doesn't appear to have much difficulty making weight for his fights. In fact, I believe he walks around at 170. His height and reach are typical for a middleweight, like Hagler.

Currently, the talent pool at 154 is pretty deep with Canelo, Andrade, Williams, Lara, and the better Charlo (I might not count out Soro either). If those guys fight each other and the cream rises to the top, leaving one or two above the rest, GGG might have the opportunity to face really good competition coming up in weight, and if they are forced to come up in weight, GGG has all the belts.

Which super middleweight would make for a really excellent fight with GGG? I guess if Badou Jack and DeGale fought, the division would have a unified belt holder. I'm not sold on Gliberto Ramirez, although he looks solid, I don't see special. Am I missing someone? Ward has said he has never felt better and that he wants to remain at 175. I don't see him going back down to 168. Did he say he would?

[imp]

Can we compare canelo opponents to GGG?

Canelo has fought tougher competition.

Come on guys, brook had his eye socket broken and the corner stopped the fight..he is a welterweight..and not even the best in his division..canelo has fought better opponents.

[imp]

Canelo is ready.

Golden boy is not.

[Batman]

Yup in my eyes ginger pubes I'd a middleweight who takes the piss, as I mentioned in another thread about garcia, he's building a career and not a legacy

[denilson200]

GGG is over-rated and Andre Ward beats him easily. I have my own theories as to why he so over-rated but I can't say. I have my own theories as to why Sergey Kovalev is over rated but I can't say.

Eubank Jr would be good fight but Eubank Jr beats Triple G. Badou Jack beats GGG as does James De Gale.

[generalbulldog]

GGG is over-rated and Andre Ward beats him easily. I have my own theories as to why he so over-rated but I can't say. I have my own theories as to why Sergey Kovalev is over rated but I can't say.

Eubank Jr would be good fight but Eubank Jr beats Triple G. Badou Jack beats GGG as does James De Gale.

Just say it. Don't be afraid. Let me guess it has to do with their race?

[Batman]

GGG is over-rated and Andre Ward beats him easily. I have my own theories as to why he so over-rated but I can't say. I have my own theories as to why Sergey Kovalev is over rated but I can't say.

Eubank Jr would be good fight but Eubank Jr beats Triple G. Badou Jack beats GGG as does James De Gale.

And tyson fury beats Andre Ward, ggg is two divisions below Ward and isn't particularly big in that division.

I know GGG has just fought Brook but he didn't chase the fight, it was offered and he took it because Jr was dicking about.

[Lefty08]

GGG is over-rated and Andre Ward beats him easily. I have my own theories as to why he so over-rated but I can't say. I have my own theories as to why Sergey Kovalev is over rated but I can't say.

Eubank Jr would be good fight but Eubank Jr beats Triple G. Badou Jack beats GGG as does James De Gale.

Let me guess ... because they're black?