GGG's Next Opponent

[Ron Swanson]

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

Andrade would beat Canelo without a doubt. I forget which Charlo is the good one but he would beat Canelo too. J-Rock might beat him, Lara might beat him, he'll the other Charlo might beat him. There is a reason Canelo went to 155, to ravoid the best guys at 154. If he was at 154 he'd become a mandatory to one of the guys that would beat him. There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

As for all the talk talk talk about championships, they only matter to historians. In truth all that matters is who you fight. Hopkins isn't a legend because of his defenses against shlubs. He's a legend for who all he fought wins and loses. All the excuses in the world and all the title defenses don't change the fact that GGGs ledger is crap. Where is his great fight? When will it come? The answer is when he fights someone on his level. If he needs to go to 170 to get a good fight he should do it. The dude is 34 years old and his best opponent is a WW that moved up on 2 months notice. A WW that himself had only ever fought one good fighter. I don't want GGG to retire and think "I thought you were great but I have no f'n clue because your ledger is shit". Years ago I said this man was special, I want to know if I was right.

[chef97]

I'd favor GGG and his punching power (23 straight wins by KO) over the other 160 title holders ; Daniel Jacobs 32-1 (29 KO), Billy Joe Saunders 23-0 (12 KO) or Chris Eubank Jr. 23-1 (18 KO).... GGG said in his post fight interview that he'd go back to the UK to fight BJS and I think that's where the money would be too.... Eubank Jr. already priced himself out of a fight w/ GGG.... However, I think potentially the most exciting fight would be Jacobs vs GGG....

Just my take....

[Primo Carnera]

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

Andrade would beat Canelo without a doubt. I forget which Charlo is the good one but he would beat Canelo too. J-Rock might beat him, Lara might beat him, he'll the other Charlo might beat him. There is a reason Canelo went to 155, to ravoid the best guys at 154. If he was at 154 he'd become a mandatory to one of the guys that would beat him. There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

As for all the talk talk talk about championships, they only matter to historians. In truth all that matters is who you fight. Hopkins isn't a legend because of his defenses against shlubs. He's a legend for who all he fought wins and loses. All the excuses in the world and all the title defenses don't change the fact that GGGs ledger is crap. Where is his great fight? When will it come? The answer is when he fights someone on his level. If he needs to go to 170 to get a good fight he should do it. The dude is 34 years old and his best opponent is a WW that moved up on 2 months notice. A WW that himself had only ever fought one good fighter. I don't want GGG to retire and think "I thought you were great but I have no f'n clue because your ledger is shit". Years ago I said this man was special, I want to know if I was right.

This is all well and good if you're trying to justify GGG As an ATG, but who's trying to do that? He's a good champ, easily the best of his division, who may be capable of going up a division, but nowadays it's easy to avoid someone.
Technically he has his faults and due to the lack of opposition, will never be seen as an ATG.
Not everybody can be an ATG.

[Master]

It will be Jacobs, BJS, and Canelo in that order.

[Rantcatrat]

It SHOULD be Canelo, should have always been Canelo but he's not going to take the fight.

With that being the case his options at Middle are: Jacobs, Eubank Jr., and BJS.

At Supermiddle: Ward, Ramirez, De Gale



.....and of course there's always the hope that Floyd Mayweather Jr. decides now is the time to fight GGG but that is never going to happen

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

Why Canelo? Why should the MW champion fight the 4th or 5th best Jr MW?

Golovkin needs to fight someone on his level. If he can't find it at MW he should move up.

So who are the 3-4 people ahead of Canelo at Jr. Middle?


Why should GGG move up, Hopkins didn't move up when he couldn't find a true middleweight to fight did he? Hopkins is a great fighter right? I think he's a great fighter, his record shows he was a great middleweight champion...why not go the Hopkins route? Especially since Andre Ward, the ONLY guy at 168 worth moving up for has gone to 175 to fight Kovalev? Are you suggesting GGG move to 175? I mean I guess he could add that kind of mass, but it'll take maybe 2 years for him to really truly be a 175 fighter.


On belts it's just BJS and Jacobs left at 160.


GGG vs Canelo is a big match providing Canelo beats Liam Smith (another potential opponent if he was to beat Canelo). As far as money, fan interest, etc goes there's no bigger match for GGG than Canelo, bar Mayweather Jr and that fight simply will never happen ergo GGG vs Canelo is the fight that SHOULD happen.

Andrade would beat Canelo without a doubt. I forget which Charlo is the good one but he would beat Canelo too. J-Rock might beat him, Lara might beat him, he'll the other Charlo might beat him. There is a reason Canelo went to 155, to ravoid the best guys at 154. If he was at 154 he'd become a mandatory to one of the guys that would beat him. There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

As for all the talk talk talk about championships, they only matter to historians. In truth all that matters is who you fight. Hopkins isn't a legend because of his defenses against shlubs. He's a legend for who all he fought wins and loses. All the excuses in the world and all the title defenses don't change the fact that GGGs ledger is crap. Where is his great fight? When will it come? The answer is when he fights someone on his level. If he needs to go to 170 to get a good fight he should do it. The dude is 34 years old and his best opponent is a WW that moved up on 2 months notice. A WW that himself had only ever fought one good fighter. I don't want GGG to retire and think "I thought you were great but I have no f'n clue because your ledger is shit". Years ago I said this man was special, I want to know if I was right.

Canelo's promoter doesn't do business with PBC. While Smith might be the weakest titleholder at 154, he's the only one not affiliated with PBC. Canelo has wins over Lara and Trout and fought them when he didn't have to.

What is funny about all of this is the perceived most threatening at 154 won't fight each other to determine best in class, and they are all on the same side of the fence.

Unifying all four belts at a weight class in separate fights is an impressive feat. Is it as impressive as beating the best at the weight class above you? Maybe not. Nevertheless, it is impressive.

I think the best argument for remaining at 160 is Hagler. He stayed at 160 and he had the benefit of quality opponents moving up in weight, including Duran, Leonard, and Hearns, among others. Hagler, like GGG, was a natural middleweight. GGG doesn't balloon up in weight between fights. He stays about 10 pounds within 160 pounds, and he doesn't appear to have much difficulty making weight for his fights. In fact, I believe he walks around at 170. His height and reach are typical for a middleweight, like Hagler.

Currently, the talent pool at 154 is pretty deep with Canelo, Andrade, Williams, Lara, and the better Charlo (I might not count out Soro either). If those guys fight each other and the cream rises to the top, leaving one or two above the rest, GGG might have the opportunity to face really good competition coming up in weight, and if they are forced to come up in weight, GGG has all the belts.

Which super middleweight would make for a really excellent fight with GGG? I guess if Badou Jack and DeGale fought, the division would have a unified belt holder. I'm not sold on Gliberto Ramirez, although he looks solid, I don't see special. Am I missing someone? Ward has said he has never felt better and that he wants to remain at 175. I don't see him going back down to 168. Did he say he would?

[Lefty08]

I respect him a lot for stating his goal and setting out to achieve it.

There is a reason they chose Liam Smith. It is not a coincidence they chose the perceived weakest champion, they don't want Canelo to lose.

I agree with the notion that the only people left are Jacobs and Saunders. Saul "Dinero" Alvarez won't fight GGG. As much as I want that fight to happen, it's clear that El Pollo is gonna do what he can to avoid that fight. Disgrace to Mexican boxing he is.

Unifying all four belts at a weight class in separate fights is an impressive feat. Is it as impressive as beating the best at the weight class above you? Maybe not. Nevertheless, it is impressive.

Agreed. After he unifies the division, I wouldn't lose respect or think less of him if he sat at the throne and reigned over the Middleweight division until he retired.

[El Kabong]

Canelo still talking shit about GGG saying he "hasn't knocked out anyone"


Can't talk crap like that and then NOT fight the guy because if Canelo did that he'd look like a pussy

[imp]

Can we compare canelo opponents to GGG?

Canelo has fought tougher competition.

Come on guys, brook had his eye socket broken and the corner stopped the fight..he is a welterweight..and not even the best in his division..canelo has fought better opponents.

[Lefty08]

Can we compare canelo opponents to GGG?

Canelo has fought tougher competition.

Come on guys, brook had his eye socket broken and the corner stopped the fight..he is a welterweight..and not even the best in his division..canelo has fought better opponents.

Khan's a welterweight with a glass jaw. Alvarez was bigger n stronger than Cotto. Kirkland hadn't fought for 2 years before he got knocked out. You can make the case that Lara beat Canelo. Angulo was on the way out.

So although El Pollo has names, his resume isn't that impressive.

[imp]

Can we compare canelo opponents to GGG?

Canelo has fought tougher competition.

Come on guys, brook had his eye socket broken and the corner stopped the fight..he is a welterweight..and not even the best in his division..canelo has fought better opponents.

Khan's a welterweight with a glass jaw. Alvarez was bigger n stronger than Cotto. Kirkland hadn't fought for 2 years before he got knocked out. You can make the case that Lara beat Canelo. Angulo was on the way out.

So although El Pollo has names, his resume isn't that impressive.

Canelo hit Khan perfectly and that punch would have knocked out anyone let alone a welterweight..Khans resume is far greater than brook.

[Master]

Can we compare canelo opponents to GGG?

Canelo has fought tougher competition.

Come on guys, brook had his eye socket broken and the corner stopped the fight..he is a welterweight..and not even the best in his division..canelo has fought better opponents.

Khan's a welterweight with a glass jaw. Alvarez was bigger n stronger than Cotto. Kirkland hadn't fought for 2 years before he got knocked out. You can make the case that Lara beat Canelo. Angulo was on the way out.

So although El Pollo has names, his resume isn't that impressive.

Canelo hit Khan perfectly and that punch would have knocked out anyone let alone a welterweight..Khans resume is far greater than brook.

So from Canelo to having a better cv than GGG, to Khan better than Brook? Crazy logic.

Canelo has pussied out of the fight.

[El Kabong]

Can we compare canelo opponents to GGG?

Canelo has fought tougher competition.

Come on guys, brook had his eye socket broken and the corner stopped the fight..he is a welterweight..and not even the best in his division..canelo has fought better opponents.

Then I reckon Canelo will have exactly 0 excuses to fight GGG if Canelo is able to win vs Smith.

I mean if "GGG has fought nobody" then I guess he's ripe for the taking and Canelo being a true Mexican warrior would be OBLIGED to fight him in order to achieve something more important than holding belts at 154.....that's holding belts at 160.

[imp]

Canelo is ready.

Golden boy is not.

[Master]

Canelo is ready.

Golden boy is not.

Canelo should tell GBP and I do not believe that for a second.

[erics44]

ive got 2 things to say


1. if you think about it, canelo is a light middle and golovkin is a middleweight, you have to kind of give canelo a bit of slack, not often does a fighter step up a weight to fight the best fighter


2. ive just seen on twitter khan calling out golovkin, i like the fellow but that's a bit funny