Israel has suspended ties with 12 UN Security Council countries

[TitoFan]

Well, if this is a battle of wordage, you certain have won.
No doubt you have Googled the shit out of the subject, and have regurgitated a lot of stuff verbatim.

You also can't resist pouring on that typical condescending, sarcastic "charm" you're so well known for.

I'm by no means the "Middle East expert" you apparently are, but I'll begin my post by expressing the ultimate sacrilege that every conflict has two sides to it. Yes... I realize you probably disagree with that also. You obviously are privy to all sorts of information that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that all of history's Arab-Israeli conflict is the entire fault of the Arabs. It's like you were there personally. Surprised you haven't been called by the Department of State for a position offering.

Let's address your lengthy tirade regarding how ungrateful the Palestinians are at having "rejected" statehood offers 3 times.

Since you mention the UN Partition Resolution back in 1947, let's revisit that, shall we? Because, if I may... facts, as you like to call them... should be taken within the context of the situation. I hope that didn't anger you in any way, since again we all know how all-knowing you are regarding all issues. At the time of the resolution, Arabs both owned the vast majority of the land in Palestine, and made up a large majority of the population. Yet the UN Resolution imposed on them called for more than half of the land in Palestine to be given to the Jews. In addition to that, some Jewish leaders viewed this partitioning as a stepping stone toward the eventual acquisition of all of Palestine, by force if necessary. So... if the above can be taken as accurate (I wasn't there.... so maybe you can tell me how it really went down), then I would FEEL (oops... there's that word you hate) that the Palestinians would be more than justified to not only reject said resolution, but also to pretty much hate the Jews' guts, would they not?

All other instances of "offers" to the Arabs you so carefully mention in detail must also be looked at through a clear, uncolored pair of glasses.
That is, of course, if we care about objectivity, which I realize is something you're not too fond of.


But you know what? None of the above matters. The REAL POINT here, which seems to have escaped you, is that we're talking about a region that is thousands of miles away from the U.S., and your neighborhood in particular. This is a decades-old conflict between two countries, with history that goes way back before you or I were even born. The REAL POINT is that the U.S. continues its tiresome practice of sticking its goddamn nose where it doesn't belong, and then frets and wonders why some Arabs harbor such hatred toward them. Some of these Arabs are not above a little terrorism, so guess who gets blown up buildings and planes once in awhile.

Your Southern "charm" and expert use of irony and sarcasm is pretty effective sometimes. You have a tendency to lay it on pretty thick. Any differing opinions are met with ridicule and condescension. So I hope I haven't ruffled your feathers too much by disagreeing with you once again.

[El Kabong]

Well, if this is a battle of wordage, you certain have won.
No doubt you have Googled the shit out of the subject, and have regurgitated a lot of stuff verbatim.

You also can't resist pouring on that typical condescending, sarcastic "charm" you're so well known for.

I'm by no means the "Middle East expert" you apparently are, but I'll begin my post by expressing the ultimate sacrilege that every conflict has two sides to it. Yes... I realize you probably disagree with that also. You obviously are privy to all sorts of information that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that all of history's Arab-Israeli conflict is the entire fault of the Arabs. It's like you were there personally. Surprised you haven't been called by the Department of State for a position offering.

Let's address your lengthy tirade regarding how ungrateful the Palestinians are at having "rejected" statehood offers 3 times.

Since you mention the UN Partition Resolution back in 1947, let's revisit that, shall we? Because, if I may... facts, as you like to call them... should be taken within the context of the situation. I hope that didn't anger you in any way, since again we all know how all-knowing you are regarding all issues. At the time of the resolution, Arabs both owned the vast majority of the land in Palestine, and made up a large majority of the population. Yet the UN Resolution imposed on them called for more than half of the land in Palestine to be given to the Jews. In addition to that, some Jewish leaders viewed this partitioning as a stepping stone toward the eventual acquisition of all of Palestine, by force if necessary. So... if the above can be taken as accurate (I wasn't there.... so maybe you can tell me how it really went down), then I would FEEL (oops... there's that word you hate) that the Palestinians would be more than justified to not only reject said resolution, but also to pretty much hate the Jews' guts, would they not?

All other instances of "offers" to the Arabs you so carefully mention in detail must also be looked at through a clear, uncolored pair of glasses.
That is, of course, if we care about objectivity, which I realize is something you're not too fond of.


But you know what? None of the above matters. The REAL POINT here, which seems to have escaped you, is that we're talking about a region that is thousands of miles away from the U.S., and your neighborhood in particular. This is a decades-old conflict between two countries, with history that goes way back before you or I were even born. The REAL POINT is that the U.S. continues its tiresome practice of sticking its goddamn nose where it doesn't belong, and then frets and wonders why some Arabs harbor such hatred toward them. Some of these Arabs are not above a little terrorism, so guess who gets blown up buildings and planes once in awhile.

Your Southern "charm" and expert use of irony and sarcasm is pretty effective sometimes. You have a tendency to lay it on pretty thick. Any differing opinions are met with ridicule and condescension. So I hope I haven't ruffled your feathers too much by disagreeing with you once again.

Ah the good old UN Partition Resolution, do you know what the leader of the Palestinian Mandate said of this? Arabs did not intend merely to prevent partition but "would continue fighting until the Zionists were Annihilated".

So again, which group is actively LOOKING for ways to bring about Peace? It seems Israel is always ready to play ball as it were, but Palestine is all too happy to fuck things up for Israel even at the expense of fucking things up for themselves.



Israel was backing out of Gaza in 2005, American Jewish donors paid $14 million for the greenhouses which brought Israel great wealth and DONATED them to Palestine......the Palestinians gladly accepted the donation and the next day decided to loot and destroy those very same greenhouses because well shit, I have no fucking clue what kind of spite you'd have to have to do something so monumentally fucking stupid as that, but hey, there you have it, the Palestinians ain't bright but they are 100% dedicated to being against Israel again even if it hurts themselves.


So nah, I don't feel much sympathy for the Palestinians....take $14 million worth of greenhouses which could GREATLY improve the shithole that is occupied by all those Palestinians and just toss it to the curb, fucking BRILLIANT.

[TitoFan]

Ah the good old UN Partition Resolution, do you know what the leader of the Palestinian Mandate said of this? Arabs did not intend merely to prevent partition but "would continue fighting until the Zionists were Annihilated".

So again, which group is actively LOOKING for ways to bring about Peace? It seems Israel is always ready to play ball as it were, but Palestine is all too happy to fuck things up for Israel even at the expense of fucking things up for themselves.

Again... and you may have missed it on my previous post... the same can be said of some of the high-ranking Zionist leaders.
Just flip it over and it sounds the same, but from a different angle.

We can go round and round all day long.

The point still remains... why is the U.S. so actively involved in this struggle which from the very beginning has been none of their goddamn business... and by doing so... why is the U.S. so surprised when the Arab world expresses anger over this meddling?

[El Kabong]

Again... and you may have missed it on my previous post... the same can be said of some of the high-ranking Zionist leaders.
Just flip it over and it sounds the same, but from a different angle.

We can go round and round all day long.

The point still remains... why is the U.S. so actively involved in this struggle which from the very beginning has been none of their goddamn business... and by doing so... why is the U.S. so surprised when the Arab world expresses anger over this meddling?

Indeed, round and round


Why is the US involved? WW2 for one, Israel is an ALLY (one of a very few in this neck of the woods) and they don't fund terrorism against us (one of a very few in this neck of the woods).


So the Pallies hate Israel eh? Israel is the bane of their existence? Why do the Palestinians not remember 'Black September'? Where is their hatred for Jordan? Why no hate for the Lebanese who massacred Shia Palestinians at Sabra and Shatila? Nah man, only hate for 1 nation, 1 people in the hearts of the Pallies and that's ISRAEL! Palestinians can do no wrong, Israelis can do no right.


Israel COULD (if they were a war like nation) wipe the floor with the entirety of the Middle East and they've done so in the past. They don't....is this not commendable given their situation? They're literally surrounded by people who want to not only end their country but end their fucking religion and Israel ATTEMPTS to hand out olive branches instead of starting shit....but ok TitoFan whatever you say man.

[mrbig1]

You have to understand one thing. In America people who watch Fox jews I mean Fox news Believe that it is coming right out the mouth of Jesus. You can show them the truth and the facts. That means nothing to them. So this is a hard sell over here because they don't understand it. They love Israel without even knowing why.

[TitoFan]

You have to understand one thing. In America people who watch Fox jews I mean Fox news Believe that it is coming right out the mouth of Jesus. You can show them the truth and the facts. That means nothing to them. So this is a hard sell over here because they don't understand it. They love Israel without even knowing why.

Exactly.

Which is why many otherwise intelligent people have such a one-way, slanted view of this issue. No one ever believes they are the victims of propaganda. "Who... me? Never." But if you sit down and examine it rationally, conflicts like this are rarely, if ever, one-sided. When you think about it, the media really IS the devil, brainwashing people's minds by presenting news exactly the way they want to present it. It's like you said... people love Israel AND hate Arabs without even knowing why. It's beyond astounding.

[brocktonblockbust]

How dare @Gandalf talk shit about American Jews. It was the British Jews who did the more damage.

[Gandalf]

Lyle, you are defending apartheid, segregation, occupation. Americans sometimes have the most warped views when it comes to Israel. It is poor judgment like your support for the Iraq war. You are wrong on this issue.