The Myth of the British National Health Servi

[El Kabong]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

[El Kabong]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

#1. Where did I type that Kirkland?

#2. No Obamacare doesn't work as good as the Private system it is decidedly more expensive both in premiums and deductibles.



At the end of the day the young healthy people will have to subsidize the old and sickly. It's the same with good drivers subsidizing bad drivers when it comes to auto insurance, but there comes a time when an Auto Insurance Company can cut it's losses on an insured....no such thing exists in the health insurance world anymore. People living longer and people having fewer children will only make things worse.

[brocktonblockbust]

Miles has fucked the system up so badly by having 6 Korean children with his 3rd wife ALONE! Fucking shill is a baby machine. Then he wants to talk overpopulation.

You just can't make this stuff up.

[Gandalf]

Well, that's the way it is Brock.

I think the quality of health care here is as good as anywhere else, but it does kind of straddle a line between the UK and US model. You pay your national insurance which comes out of your wages and this is very good for cheap prescriptions and some types of surgery, but the more hi-tech surgeries are generally not covered by it as I found out recently. When it comes to health you only want the best and you want a procedure that will not leave you looking like a victim of a great white shark attack and that costs money, but thankfully I do have private insurance so cost does not matter to me. I've had this discussion a few times though with my wife wondering what people who don't have insurance or even the national insurance because of unemployment do. Apparently there are ways of getting your name on another family members national insurance, but really you cannot afford to be without private insurance. It is too risky not to. I find that I claim back a lot more than I put in, so it really it saves me money. I'm always in the hospital for something and I am back there today getting some surgery on my arm. It's the opposite for my wife who never gets sick. It's not expensive to cover yourself privately here though.

[brocktonblockbust]

What the ~fuck~ have you "gone" and done NOW, Miles??! Surgery on your arm? What happened? is this a sudden development or are you having a persistent situation remedied?

[Gandalf]

It's an old thing I mentioned in the past, but it has been operated on at last. Nothing serious. I actually quite enjoyed this surgery as it was very simple. Even with national insurance it's another 135 pounds to pay. Then there was the 100 pounds for the previous weeks ultrasound. Then the original 14 pounds to see the doctor. It all adds up and this is just a very minor procedure. If you only have national insurance that's still a weeks wages for some. I am not grumbling though as I am very pleased with the quality of medical care out here. I've seen emergency rooms, had major surgery, minor surgery, seen it all; and saw first hand the excellent work people are doing. Walrus grumbles about the treatment of women, but nurses at the top hospitals earn really excellent money and they deserve it.

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

#1. Where did I type that Kirkland?

#2. No Obamacare doesn't work as good as the Private system it is decidedly more expensive both in premiums and deductibles.



At the end of the day the young healthy people will have to subsidize the old and sickly. It's the same with good drivers subsidizing bad drivers when it comes to auto insurance, but there comes a time when an Auto Insurance Company can cut it's losses on an insured....no such thing exists in the health insurance world anymore. People living longer and people having fewer children will only make things worse.

But Medicare does work far better than the private/employer pays system. Much lower running costs, much more efficient operation and so on. That's just fact.

And yes, the young subsidise the old in every healthcare system. That's why privatising medicare, turning it into a "premium support" system where comprehensive coverage is scrapped and oldies have to buy a private insurance policy, can never work.

If you think it's difficult to get a decent value policy when you're 35 try it when you're 75.


Here's what Trump has to say about his health insurance plans.


“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump told the Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
He added that under his plan, people "can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) has said lawmakers planned to take a bottom-up approach to replacing Obamacare in piece-meal fashion through the committee process, but according to the Post, Trump said his plan was nearly ready and that he was confident it would pass Congress.
“I think we will get approval. I won’t tell you how, but we will get approval. You see what’s happened in the House in recent weeks,” Trump said, pointing to the kerfuffle when House leaders had to withdraw plans to gut Office of Congressional Ethics after Trump tweeted against the idea.
Even the few details Trump provided about his plan -- “lower numbers, much lower deductibles,” according to the Post -- cut against many of the GOP proposals that have been put forward over the years that have offered skimpier plans with higher out-of-pocket costs.
“It’s not going to be their plan,” Trump told the Post, referring to the people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people."

He's either full of shit or he doesn't know what he's talking about and is just repeating what somebody like Ryan told him (don't worry Don, our replacement is going to be terrific! ((but actually is a piece of shit that allows Ryan to slash taxes on the 1%)) ) or he's proposing the biggest new entitlement programme since Medicare.

If he is proposing a massive new entitlement programme do you fancy paying for it? If it's a plan that actually takes away healthcare coverage from twenty million people, the most likely scenario, how do you feel about that?

[Gandalf]

The thing I don't understand is how conservatives in America are so opposed to a single payer health care system. Americans pay twice as much as even the second most expensive country, are the most addicted to pills, have a decreasing life expectancy and yet anything else is deemed Communist or inferior. It makes no sense to me how making huge profits for private insurance companies is deemed the way to go. To me, you cannot on the one hand say that government is tyranny, but on the other hand argue that tyranny by corporations is any better.

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

#1. Where did I type that Kirkland?

#2. No Obamacare doesn't work as good as the Private system it is decidedly more expensive both in premiums and deductibles.



At the end of the day the young healthy people will have to subsidize the old and sickly. It's the same with good drivers subsidizing bad drivers when it comes to auto insurance, but there comes a time when an Auto Insurance Company can cut it's losses on an insured....no such thing exists in the health insurance world anymore. People living longer and people having fewer children will only make things worse.

But Medicare does work far better than the private/employer pays system. Much lower running costs, much more efficient operation and so on. That's just fact.

And yes, the young subsidise the old in every healthcare system. That's why privatising medicare, turning it into a "premium support" system where comprehensive coverage is scrapped and oldies have to buy a private insurance policy, can never work.

If you think it's difficult to get a decent value policy when you're 35 try it when you're 75.


Here's what Trump has to say about his health insurance plans.


“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump told the Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
He added that under his plan, people "can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) has said lawmakers planned to take a bottom-up approach to replacing Obamacare in piece-meal fashion through the committee process, but according to the Post, Trump said his plan was nearly ready and that he was confident it would pass Congress.
“I think we will get approval. I won’t tell you how, but we will get approval. You see what’s happened in the House in recent weeks,” Trump said, pointing to the kerfuffle when House leaders had to withdraw plans to gut Office of Congressional Ethics after Trump tweeted against the idea.
Even the few details Trump provided about his plan -- “lower numbers, much lower deductibles,” according to the Post -- cut against many of the GOP proposals that have been put forward over the years that have offered skimpier plans with higher out-of-pocket costs.
“It’s not going to be their plan,” Trump told the Post, referring to the people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people."

He's either full of shit or he doesn't know what he's talking about and is just repeating what somebody like Ryan told him (don't worry Don, our replacement is going to be terrific! ((but actually is a piece of shit that allows Ryan to slash taxes on the 1%)) ) or he's proposing the biggest new entitlement programme since Medicare.

If he is proposing a massive new entitlement programme do you fancy paying for it? If it's a plan that actually takes away healthcare coverage from twenty million people, the most likely scenario, how do you feel about that?

*crickets*

[El Kabong]

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

I responded with "Where did I type that?" to which you replied

But Medicare does work far better than the private/employer pays system.

That is not how debates work Kirkland. When I ask a question I expect an answer, if one is not provided to me and you continue on with your own train of thought regardless of what I have asked then you're just living in your own little bubble Kirk.

*crickets*

Yup, I'm still waiting on a proper response to my initial question *crickets* indeed

[Kirkland Laing]

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

I responded with "Where did I type that?" to which you replied

But Medicare does work far better than the private/employer pays system.

That is not how debates work Kirkland. When I ask a question I expect an answer, if one is not provided to me and you continue on with your own train of thought regardless of what I have asked then you're just living in your own little bubble Kirk.

*crickets*

Yup, I'm still waiting on a proper response to my initial question *crickets* indeed

I didn't originally admit Obamacare was a failure. And because I didn't directly state that it was you then said "so you admit it's a failure then". I just turned your third grade rhetorical device back on you with the Medicare question.