Market breaks 20,000

[walrus]

Kirk is an utter cunt

Warning, please do not use that word in future as it may offend. The poster has not called you any derogatory names so why should you?

Wait a minute I said he didn't know shit I didn't call him that

[walrus]

Kirk is an utter cunt

Warning, please do not use that word in future as it may offend. The poster has not called you any derogatory names so why should you?

Wait a minute I said he didn't know shit I didn't call him that

This is an outrage next you will say I'm lying about sharia

[Kirkland Laing]

Government debt isn't so much a problem. They can inflate it away at any time. The personal debt of ordinary people such as those with mortgages is much more of a problem. People default en mass and suddenly you have a crisis as banks are essentially bankrupt anyway. Personal debt is huge and an increase in interest rates guarantees insolvency and bankruptcy. Central banks are stuck in the middle. Rates were too low for too long and debt has mounted much higher.

So you're admitting that all the years you've been telling us that government debt was the problem and we were due imminent hyperinfllation you were wrong.

Personal and corporate debt are a problem in some countries, particularly in Britain. The situation is improving in a lot of countries though. Even if some countries do start to see serious problems with nonperforming personal debt it's noy going to cause inflation though, is it? Just the opposite in fact.

[walrus]

Government debt isn't so much a problem. They can inflate it away at any time. The personal debt of ordinary people such as those with mortgages is much more of a problem. People default en mass and suddenly you have a crisis as banks are essentially bankrupt anyway. Personal debt is huge and an increase in interest rates guarantees insolvency and bankruptcy. Central banks are stuck in the middle. Rates were too low for too long and debt has mounted much higher.

So you're admitting that all the years you've been telling us that government debt was the problem and we were due imminent hyperinfllation you were wrong.

Personal and corporate debt are a problem in some countries, particularly in Britain. The situation is improving in a lot of countries though. Even if some countries do start to see serious problems with nonperforming personal debt it's noy going to cause inflation though, is it? Just the opposite in fact.

Kirk you are not fooliing anyone you obviously don't know my family members but if u did u would stop talking like you are someone you aren't you are so full of shit it makes me feel sorry for anyone close to you.

[Gandalf]

I cannot speak for inflation or debt levels there but prices go up pretty steeply here and personal debt has risen 11% in the last year. They have also built 2 million new homes in a place with a low birth rate so not only have people already got mortgage debt and mounting personal debts but their homes will fall in value. They are the lucky ones as many can only rent. It's all pretty serious stuff.

Plus wages don't rise for a lot of people too. I couldn't imagine living on the minimum wage here. It's something like 2 pounds 50. I was earning that at 15 in my first grocery store job a long long time ago. It's a struggle for a lot of people. And local government debts are mounting quite heavily.

I'm telling ya, it will get dicey. Very unequal out here. Very Thatcherist.

[walrus]

I cannot speak for inflation or debt levels there but prices go up pretty steeply here and personal debt has risen 11% in the last year. They have also built 2 million new homes in a place with a low birth rate so not only have people already got mortgage debt and mounting personal debts but their homes will fall in value. They are the lucky ones as many can only rent. It's all pretty serious stuff.

Plus wages don't rise for a lot of people too. I couldn't imagine living on the minimum wage here. It's something like 2 pounds 50. I was earning that at 15 in my first grocery store job a long long time ago. It's a struggle for a lot of people. And local government debts are mounting quite heavily.

I'm telling ya, it will get dicey. Very unequal out here. Very Thatcherist.

I didn't realize the ZOG was in South Korea maybe your economy was wrecked by the three Syrians you guys took in since 1994. Maybe you should have let one in

[Kirkland Laing]

I cannot speak for inflation or debt levels there but prices go up pretty steeply here and personal debt has risen 11% in the last year. They have also built 2 million new homes in a place with a low birth rate so not only have people already got mortgage debt and mounting personal debts but their homes will fall in value. They are the lucky ones as many can only rent. It's all pretty serious stuff.

Plus wages don't rise for a lot of people too. I couldn't imagine living on the minimum wage here. It's something like 2 pounds 50. I was earning that at 15 in my first grocery store job a long long time ago. It's a struggle for a lot of people. And local government debts are mounting quite heavily.

I'm telling ya, it will get dicey. Very unequal out here. Very Thatcherist.

How about Italy Miles?

Banking crisis. Government debt crisis. How come the crackhead financial pundits you read aren't forecasting imminent doom and destruction of the Italian economy/euro?

[Gandalf]

Nah, those are government figures and cannot be trusted. I judge inflation by the real world and what we pay for everyday things. Take rice cake which jumped 25% after the Chinese New Year. That's significant. Or the cost of delivery chicken which is up 10% year in year out. Or the cost of barbecued pork that I ate last week up from 12,000 per serving to 14,000. It is a big jump. Then there is fuel which is racing back up again. The only area I would say inflation is static or going down is property and that is because they built 2 million homes in a handful of years and there is no demand. Everyday stuff is more expensive though. Food is crazy expensive here unless you are going to eat noodles and rice day in day out which means weight loss and disease. Fruit and veg is particularly costly.

[Kirkland Laing]

Nah, those are government figures and cannot be trusted. I judge inflation by the real world and what we pay for everyday things. Take rice cake which jumped 25% after the Chinese New Year. That's significant. Or the cost of delivery chicken which is up 10% year in year out. Or the cost of barbecued pork that I ate last week up from 12,000 per serving to 14,000. It is a big jump. Then there is fuel which is racing back up again. The only area I would say inflation is static or going down is property and that is because they built 2 million homes in a handful of years and there is no demand. Everyday stuff is more expensive though. Food is crazy expensive here unless you are going to eat noodles and rice day in day out which means weight loss and disease. Fruit and veg is particularly costly.

Food and oil aren't included in inflation figurs because they're commodities. They go up and down due to supply and demand. So they can increase or decrease massively in price and it's due to bad harvests or gluts or increased production or low demand or whatever. It's not due to monetary policy, printing money or high levels of debt or whatever else you think is going to cause catastrophe. The goods and services that are affected by monetary policy are measured in the inflation rate and as you can see the inflation rate is very low indeed.

Now then, Italy. Surely the ladies and gentlemen who write whatever it is you read about finance and economics are hyperventilating about Italy? It is a massive problem. These people must be creating doom and gloom about something, what are they flapping about if it's not Italy. Greece?

[walrus]

Nah, those are government figures and cannot be trusted. I judge inflation by the real world and what we pay for everyday things. Take rice cake which jumped 25% after the Chinese New Year. That's significant. Or the cost of delivery chicken which is up 10% year in year out. Or the cost of barbecued pork that I ate last week up from 12,000 per serving to 14,000. It is a big jump. Then there is fuel which is racing back up again. The only area I would say inflation is static or going down is property and that is because they built 2 million homes in a handful of years and there is no demand. Everyday stuff is more expensive though. Food is crazy expensive here unless you are going to eat noodles and rice day in day out which means weight loss and disease. Fruit and veg is particularly costly.

Food and oil aren't included in inflation figurs because they're commodities. They go up and down due to supply and demand. So they can increase or decrease massively in price and it's due to bad harvests or gluts or increased production or low demand or whatever. It's not due to monetary policy, printing money or high levels of debt or whatever else you think is going to cause catastrophe. The goods and services that are affected by monetary policy are measured in the inflation rate and as you can see the inflation rate is very low indeed.

Now then, Italy. Surely the ladies and gentlemen who write whatever it is you read about finance and economics are hyperventilating about Italy? It is a massive problem. These people must be creating doom and gloom about something, what are they flapping about if it's not Italy. Greece?

Food and oil aren't included cause they tend to make the numbers look worse idiot

[Kirkland Laing]

Nah, those are government figures and cannot be trusted. I judge inflation by the real world and what we pay for everyday things. Take rice cake which jumped 25% after the Chinese New Year. That's significant. Or the cost of delivery chicken which is up 10% year in year out. Or the cost of barbecued pork that I ate last week up from 12,000 per serving to 14,000. It is a big jump. Then there is fuel which is racing back up again. The only area I would say inflation is static or going down is property and that is because they built 2 million homes in a handful of years and there is no demand. Everyday stuff is more expensive though. Food is crazy expensive here unless you are going to eat noodles and rice day in day out which means weight loss and disease. Fruit and veg is particularly costly.

Food and oil aren't included in inflation figurs because they're commodities. They go up and down due to supply and demand. So they can increase or decrease massively in price and it's due to bad harvests or gluts or increased production or low demand or whatever. It's not due to monetary policy, printing money or high levels of debt or whatever else you think is going to cause catastrophe. The goods and services that are affected by monetary policy are measured in the inflation rate and as you can see the inflation rate is very low indeed.

Now then, Italy. Surely the ladies and gentlemen who write whatever it is you read about finance and economics are hyperventilating about Italy? It is a massive problem. These people must be creating doom and gloom about something, what are they flapping about if it's not Italy. Greece?

Food and oil aren't included cause they tend to make the numbers look worse idiot

You mean they make inflation look massive at certain times. But they also make inflation lookl like deflation at other times.

If you look at a graph of commodities prices over a ten year period and compress it a little it looks like a seismograph during an earthquake. Big price spikes followed by big collapses. If you include these prices in inflation numbers (and there are official government meaures of inflation that do so) you get big increases balanced by periods of defaltion. So policymakes, who can only affect monetary policy and not supply and demand use ingflation numbers that show the effects that the policymakers have when they tweak monetary policy.

[Nameless]

Government debt isn't so much a problem. They can inflate it away at any time. The personal debt of ordinary people such as those with mortgages is much more of a problem. People default en mass and suddenly you have a crisis as banks are essentially bankrupt anyway. Personal debt is huge and an increase in interest rates guarantees insolvency and bankruptcy. Central banks are stuck in the middle. Rates were too low for too long and debt has mounted much higher.

So you're admitting that all the years you've been telling us that government debt was the problem and we were due imminent hyperinfllation you were wrong.

Personal and corporate debt are a problem in some countries, particularly in Britain. The situation is improving in a lot of countries though. Even if some countries do start to see serious problems with nonperforming personal debt it's noy going to cause inflation though, is it? Just the opposite in fact.

Kirk you are not fooliing anyone you obviously don't know my family members but if u did u would stop talking like you are someone you aren't you are so full of shit it makes me feel sorry for anyone close to you.

He didn't talk about your family, I don't understand where your argumentation is going.

[Gandalf]

When ricecake goes up 25% in a year that is a monetary decision. In fact all of the prices go up at the same points every year. The Chinese New Year holiday is always followed by an increase in prices. My wife bulk buys in preparation for it, it's common knowledge that this happens. If you are just going to ignore price increases and say that it has nothing to do with inflation, then you are just changing the definition of inflation. Like I say, I live in the real world and will judge inflation by what I have to spend to buy the things I need, governments chop and change things and what is measured as inflation today would be laughed at 40 years ago.

Also, this place is where they make the cars, washing machines, televisions etc, and they are all much more expensive here than they are in the West. They gouge their own populace when it comes to the trendy things governments in the West like to use as examples of inflation reducing items. So when you have that, plus the food that is double the price of food in the West, the cost of property, the cost of clothing etc and with lower wages. Well, the prices seem to come from somewhere and it isn't just supply and demand. It's also because of protectionism here. Mind you, it doesn't bother me so much as I am wearing the same sweater I was wearing at 19.

[walrus]

Government debt isn't so much a problem. They can inflate it away at any time. The personal debt of ordinary people such as those with mortgages is much more of a problem. People default en mass and suddenly you have a crisis as banks are essentially bankrupt anyway. Personal debt is huge and an increase in interest rates guarantees insolvency and bankruptcy. Central banks are stuck in the middle. Rates were too low for too long and debt has mounted much higher.

So you're admitting that all the years you've been telling us that government debt was the problem and we were due imminent hyperinfllation you were wrong.

Personal and corporate debt are a problem in some countries, particularly in Britain. The situation is improving in a lot of countries though. Even if some countries do start to see serious problems with nonperforming personal debt it's noy going to cause inflation though, is it? Just the opposite in fact.

Kirk you are not fooliing anyone you obviously don't know my family members but if u did u would stop talking like you are someone you aren't you are so full of shit it makes me feel sorry for anyone close to you.

He didn't talk about your family, I don't understand where your argumentation is going.

Dude it's Kirkland all is fair now stay out of this

[Kirkland Laing]

When ricecake goes up 25% in a year that is a monetary decision. In fact all of the prices go up at the same points every year. The Chinese New Year holiday is always followed by an increase in prices. My wife bulk buys in preparation for it, it's common knowledge that this happens. If you are just going to ignore price increases and say that it has nothing to do with inflation, then you are just changing the definition of inflation. Like I say, I live in the real world and will judge inflation by what I have to spend to buy the things I need, governments chop and change things and what is measured as inflation today would be laughed at 40 years ago.

Also, this place is where they make the cars, washing machines, televisions etc, and they are all much more expensive here than they are in the West. They gouge their own populace when it comes to the trendy things governments in the West like to use as examples of inflation reducing items. So when you have that, plus the food that is double the price of food in the West, the cost of property, the cost of clothing etc and with lower wages. Well, the prices seem to come from somewhere and it isn't just supply and demand. It's also because of protectionism here. Mind you, it doesn't bother me so much as I am wearing the same sweater I was wearing at 19.

It's really simple Miles. Prices for items like food and fuel are mainly altered by supply and demand, not monetary policy (monetary policy being printing money, raising or lowering interest rates and so on). Central banks/finance ministries have no real control over the price of food and oil. Those prices are set by the market and vary a lot. So to find a true measure of inflation, to find how monetary policy set by a country (interest rates, money supply etc) is affecting inflation they have an measuring index which strips out food and energy items. That rate, commonly known as core inflation, lets them know how their current policy is affecting the inflation of goods and services that they have control over the prices of.

You may live in the real world and have to pay real world prices but if there's a really bad global rice harvest and the price of rice doubles it's not down to anything the money/finance people have any control over. The price has not doubled because some government somewhere did some QE or increased their central bank's balance sheet or whatever.