The next stars in boxing

[OumaFan]

Some are obviously bigger stars than others, some of these are maybe not stars to the casual fan but I'm not talking about casual fans, right now we've got:

Floyd-at least 3-4 good prime years left and enough skill to last after his speed starts to fade

Barrera and Morales-nearing the end of their careers

Pac-29 but takes a lot of punches and relies heavily on his speed and power, how long will his prime be, not sure

Hopkins and Toney-both coming to the end, or in Hopkins case maybe allready over

Winky- a lot of people don't like his style and he's getting older

Corrales and Castillo-both getting older and don't really have styles that are built to last

Hatton and Cotto- Cotto's 25 and should be around for a while, Hatton's 27 but doesn't have a style that's built to last and he doesn't take care of himself outside of the ring

Gatti-pretty much done, or at least should be

I'm sure I forgot some people but out of those PBF will be around for a while, oh forgot Taylor he'll be around, Cotto's young but its hard to say how long Barrera, Morales, Toney, Hopkins, Winky, Gatti, Corralles and Castillo will be around or be as effective. Its hard to tell with Pac and Hatton but they both are such physical fighters that they won't be as effective as a Winky, Toney, or Hopkins in their late 30's.

So who's next, out of the prospect group there's guys like the Petersons, Demetrius Hopkins, Mike Arnaoutis, Lucian Bute, watch out for James Kirkland-very exciting fighter, Amir Khan, Alan Green, Duddy, Quintana (maybe not a prospect anymore), Jean Pascal, Andre Ward. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, and I can't really think of a heavyweight prospect.

And then are guys who are young, not really prospects anymore, but not really elite or well known: Paul Williams, Miranda, Abraham, Ouma, Valero, Joan Guzman (might be top tier already but he's not really well known), Kessler, David Haye.

Like I said I know i'm forgetting a lot of guys, so who do you think is going to step up and become a "star", even if there not Oscar De La Hoya type stars.

F*** that was a long post.

[Mattyhitman]

Tyson Fury

[frozensolid_702]

Some are obviously bigger stars than others, some of these are maybe not stars to the casual fan but I'm not talking about casual fans, right now we've got:

Floyd-at least 3-4 good prime years left and enough skill to last after his speed starts to fade

Barrera and Morales-nearing the end of their careers

Pac-29 but takes a lot of punches and relies heavily on his speed and power, how long will his prime be, not sure

Hopkins and Toney-both coming to the end, or in Hopkins case maybe allready over

Winky- a lot of people don't like his style and he's getting older

Corrales and Castillo-both getting older and don't really have styles that are built to last

Hatton and Cotto- Cotto's 25 and should be around for a while, Hatton's 27 but doesn't have a style that's built to last and he doesn't take care of himself outside of the ring

Gatti-pretty much done, or at least should be

I'm sure I forgot some people but out of those PBF will be around for a while, oh forgot Taylor he'll be around, Cotto's young but its hard to say how long Barrera, Morales, Toney, Hopkins, Winky, Gatti, Corralles and Castillo will be around or be as effective. Its hard to tell with Pac and Hatton but they both are such physical fighters that they won't be as effective as a Winky, Toney, or Hopkins in their late 30's.

So who's next, out of the prospect group there's guys like the Petersons, Demetrius Hopkins, Mike Arnaoutis, Lucian Bute, watch out for James Kirkland-very exciting fighter, Amir Khan, Alan Green, Duddy, Quintana (maybe not a prospect anymore), Jean Pascal, Andre Ward. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, and I can't really think of a heavyweight prospect.

And then are guys who are young, not really prospects anymore, but not really elite or well known: Paul Williams, Miranda, Abraham, Ouma, Valero, Joan Guzman (might be top tier already but he's not really well known), Kessler, David Haye.

Like I said I know i'm forgetting a lot of guys, so who do you think is going to step up and become a "star", even if there not Oscar De La Hoya type stars.

F*** that was a long post.

imo paul williams, jermain taylor, and floyd mayweather are the future of boxing

pbf-147 supremecy
williams will dominate at 154. and jermain is gonna hold the mw division down for another 5-6 years at least

williams will be the 1st to go out when he takes on jermain at middle in about 3 years

[OumaFan]

Some are obviously bigger stars than others, some of these are maybe not stars to the casual fan but I'm not talking about casual fans, right now we've got:

Floyd-at least 3-4 good prime years left and enough skill to last after his speed starts to fade

Barrera and Morales-nearing the end of their careers

Pac-29 but takes a lot of punches and relies heavily on his speed and power, how long will his prime be, not sure

Hopkins and Toney-both coming to the end, or in Hopkins case maybe allready over

Winky- a lot of people don't like his style and he's getting older

Corrales and Castillo-both getting older and don't really have styles that are built to last

Hatton and Cotto- Cotto's 25 and should be around for a while, Hatton's 27 but doesn't have a style that's built to last and he doesn't take care of himself outside of the ring

Gatti-pretty much done, or at least should be

I'm sure I forgot some people but out of those PBF will be around for a while, oh forgot Taylor he'll be around, Cotto's young but its hard to say how long Barrera, Morales, Toney, Hopkins, Winky, Gatti, Corralles and Castillo will be around or be as effective. Its hard to tell with Pac and Hatton but they both are such physical fighters that they won't be as effective as a Winky, Toney, or Hopkins in their late 30's.

So who's next, out of the prospect group there's guys like the Petersons, Demetrius Hopkins, Mike Arnaoutis, Lucian Bute, watch out for James Kirkland-very exciting fighter, Amir Khan, Alan Green, Duddy, Quintana (maybe not a prospect anymore), Jean Pascal, Andre Ward. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, and I can't really think of a heavyweight prospect.

And then are guys who are young, not really prospects anymore, but not really elite or well known: Paul Williams, Miranda, Abraham, Ouma, Valero, Joan Guzman (might be top tier already but he's not really well known), Kessler, David Haye.

Like I said I know i'm forgetting a lot of guys, so who do you think is going to step up and become a "star", even if there not Oscar De La Hoya type stars.

F*** that was a long post.

imo paul williams, jermain taylor, and floyd mayweather are the future of boxing

pbf-147 supremecy
williams will dominate at 154. and jermain is gonna hold the mw division down for another 5-6 years at least

williams will be the 1st to go out when he takes on jermain at middle in about 3 years

I'd actually be pretty surprised if Jermain's still at middle in three years, its a more glamorous division than 168 or 175, but he's so freaking big, guy looks like he could handle 175 just fine.

[OumaFan]

Tyson Fury

Is that an actual boxer

[Mattyhitman]

Tyson Fury

Is that an actual boxer

He is

A young lad from Manchester i think. His dad was a fan of Iron Mike and called him Tyson, just funny coincidence his surname is Fury
He is a heavyweight, but still amateur at the moment

[CutMeMick]

Some are obviously bigger stars than others, some of these are maybe not stars to the casual fan but I'm not talking about casual fans, right now we've got:

Floyd-at least 3-4 good prime years left and enough skill to last after his speed starts to fade

Barrera and Morales-nearing the end of their careers

Pac-29 but takes a lot of punches and relies heavily on his speed and power, how long will his prime be, not sure

Hopkins and Toney-both coming to the end, or in Hopkins case maybe allready over

Winky- a lot of people don't like his style and he's getting older

Corrales and Castillo-both getting older and don't really have styles that are built to last

Hatton and Cotto- Cotto's 25 and should be around for a while, Hatton's 27 but doesn't have a style that's built to last and he doesn't take care of himself outside of the ring

Gatti-pretty much done, or at least should be

I'm sure I forgot some people but out of those PBF will be around for a while, oh forgot Taylor he'll be around, Cotto's young but its hard to say how long Barrera, Morales, Toney, Hopkins, Winky, Gatti, Corralles and Castillo will be around or be as effective. Its hard to tell with Pac and Hatton but they both are such physical fighters that they won't be as effective as a Winky, Toney, or Hopkins in their late 30's.

So who's next, out of the prospect group there's guys like the Petersons, Demetrius Hopkins, Mike Arnaoutis, Lucian Bute, watch out for James Kirkland-very exciting fighter, Amir Khan, Alan Green, Duddy, Quintana (maybe not a prospect anymore), Jean Pascal, Andre Ward. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, and I can't really think of a heavyweight prospect.

And then are guys who are young, not really prospects anymore, but not really elite or well known: Paul Williams, Miranda, Abraham, Ouma, Valero, Joan Guzman (might be top tier already but he's not really well known), Kessler, David Haye.

Like I said I know i'm forgetting a lot of guys, so who do you think is going to step up and become a "star", even if there not Oscar De La Hoya type stars.

F*** that was a long post.

I think Ouma has bounced back nicely and looks ready to take on all comers.

[frozensolid_702]

Some are obviously bigger stars than others, some of these are maybe not stars to the casual fan but I'm not talking about casual fans, right now we've got:

Floyd-at least 3-4 good prime years left and enough skill to last after his speed starts to fade

Barrera and Morales-nearing the end of their careers

Pac-29 but takes a lot of punches and relies heavily on his speed and power, how long will his prime be, not sure

Hopkins and Toney-both coming to the end, or in Hopkins case maybe allready over

Winky- a lot of people don't like his style and he's getting older

Corrales and Castillo-both getting older and don't really have styles that are built to last

Hatton and Cotto- Cotto's 25 and should be around for a while, Hatton's 27 but doesn't have a style that's built to last and he doesn't take care of himself outside of the ring

Gatti-pretty much done, or at least should be

I'm sure I forgot some people but out of those PBF will be around for a while, oh forgot Taylor he'll be around, Cotto's young but its hard to say how long Barrera, Morales, Toney, Hopkins, Winky, Gatti, Corralles and Castillo will be around or be as effective. Its hard to tell with Pac and Hatton but they both are such physical fighters that they won't be as effective as a Winky, Toney, or Hopkins in their late 30's.

So who's next, out of the prospect group there's guys like the Petersons, Demetrius Hopkins, Mike Arnaoutis, Lucian Bute, watch out for James Kirkland-very exciting fighter, Amir Khan, Alan Green, Duddy, Quintana (maybe not a prospect anymore), Jean Pascal, Andre Ward. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, and I can't really think of a heavyweight prospect.

And then are guys who are young, not really prospects anymore, but not really elite or well known: Paul Williams, Miranda, Abraham, Ouma, Valero, Joan Guzman (might be top tier already but he's not really well known), Kessler, David Haye.

Like I said I know i'm forgetting a lot of guys, so who do you think is going to step up and become a "star", even if there not Oscar De La Hoya type stars.

F*** that was a long post.

imo paul williams, jermain taylor, and floyd mayweather are the future of boxing

pbf-147 supremecy
williams will dominate at 154. and jermain is gonna hold the mw division down for another 5-6 years at least

williams will be the 1st to go out when he takes on jermain at middle in about 3 years

I'd actually be pretty surprised if Jermain's still at middle in three years, its a more glamorous division than 168 or 175, but he's so freaking big, guy looks like he could handle 175 just fine.

i agree with you in saying that jermain COULD move up and handle the weight well, and in saying that the glory is in the middleweight division.
but if jermains smart, he stays at middle and dominates (a la hopkins )
thats what he needs to do, imo and if he does, weve got another legend in the making.

no doubt theres some great fighters in higher weight classes (calzaghe springs into mind) but the "glory" is at 160.
160 is the cutoff, imo.....................
great welters move up to 154, and usually dominate. but when they take the next step..........thats where the legends seem to come to an end.
on the other hand, there have been very few that have dominated 160 and moved up to supermiddle, lightweight, or even cruiser that havent faded into obscurity

if taylor stays at 160, thats where most of the mega star, huge payday welterweights eventually end up.
and when they get there, jermains gonna feast on them

[OumaFan]

Can Arce be a big star, at his weight?

Just something I've been thinking about, he is a star, he's got that star quality, and as far as I know he's a big star in Mexico, but can he be a star in America fighting at 112-115. Question wasn't for anybody specifically, just been thinking about it.

[frozensolid_702]

Can Arce be a big star, at his weight?

Just something I've been thinking about, he is a star, he's got that star quality, and as far as I know he's a big star in Mexico, but can he be a star in America fighting at 112-115. Question wasn't for anybody specifically, just been thinking about it.

i think arce is kind of a star already, but i dont see him at his current weight ever being anything more that the main undercard of a huge ppv event, or being the main event on hbo boxing after dark.
not quite on mayweather status, but without a doubt, an excellent and very prosperous career

[CutMeMick]

Can Arce be a big star, at his weight?

Just something I've been thinking about, he is a star, he's got that star quality, and as far as I know he's a big star in Mexico, but can he be a star in America fighting at 112-115. Question wasn't for anybody specifically, just been thinking about it.

I said this before if Pongsaklek and him would boogie IMO Arce puts a hurt on him bad, that can bring him some stardom since Pongsaklek is not really known to the states, only to hard core fans then he would have to boogie with Darchiyan that IMO would catapult the winner to the top. IMO the winner being Arce I just can see anyone at 112 beating him. At 115 what he needs to do is go after Nobuo try and take the belt from him then give Castillo a shot at the title.
Did I go way off into MY imaginary dream?

[OumaFan]

Can Arce be a big star, at his weight?

Just something I've been thinking about, he is a star, he's got that star quality, and as far as I know he's a big star in Mexico, but can he be a star in America fighting at 112-115. Question wasn't for anybody specifically, just been thinking about it.

I said this before if Pongsaklek and him would boogie IMO Arce puts a hurt on him bad, that can bring him some stardom since Pongsaklek is not really known to the states, only to hard core fans then he would have to boogie with Darchiyan that IMO would catapult the winner to the top. IMO the winner being Arce I just can see anyone at 112 beating him. At 115 what he needs to do is go after Nobuo try and take the belt from him then give Castillo a shot at the title.
Did I go way off into MY imaginary dream?

You know I just don't know much about Pongsalek, I mean I know he's got a good record but I've only seen like a round of one of his fights. Arce kicks Darchinyan's ass IMO unless he just gets caught with some huge punch he doesn't see coming, the test at 112 to me is Parra. I've seen him twice now and think he's pretty good.

[CutMeMick]

Can Arce be a big star, at his weight?

Just something I've been thinking about, he is a star, he's got that star quality, and as far as I know he's a big star in Mexico, but can he be a star in America fighting at 112-115. Question wasn't for anybody specifically, just been thinking about it.

I said this before if Pongsaklek and him would boogie IMO Arce puts a hurt on him bad, that can bring him some stardom since Pongsaklek is not really known to the states, only to hard core fans then he would have to boogie with Darchiyan that IMO would catapult the winner to the top. IMO the winner being Arce I just can see anyone at 112 beating him. At 115 what he needs to do is go after Nobuo try and take the belt from him then give Castillo a shot at the title.
Did I go way off into MY imaginary dream?

You know I just don't know much about Pongsalek, I mean I know he's got a good record but I've only seen like a round of one of his fights. Arce kicks Darchinyan's ass IMO unless he just gets caught with some huge punch he doesn't see coming, the test at 112 to me is Parra. I've seen him twice now and think he's pretty good.

Ouma you and I both man!!! I swear as much as I try to look at Pongsakleks record and try to dig up a (A class or even A- class fighter I can't) I give him credit for longevity but you also have to take in to consideration who hes fought. I recognize about 3 to 4 names on his record that about it.
Parra can move and box well but I do think Arces power can get the better of him late in the fight, especially if Arce goes to the body early as he usually does.

[OumaFan]

Kelly Pavlik? I don't know exactly what to think of him, needs to step up the opposition a little more.

Sturm's not done but its gonna be hard to build up a big fanbase here if his fights are never on American TV.

Ruiz's not done but he's so misunderstood

Chad Dawson, Lacy if he can come back strong.

Somsak Sithchatchawal Seriously, I'm a fan.

Seriously, I'm trying to think of an up and coming heavyweight prospect and I'm just drawing a blank.

[OumaFan]

If Chavez Jr. turns out to be the real thing, which is just very hard to tell right now, then he'll have a big fanbase.