Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz - 29/1/17

[Batman]

I was surprised Santa Cruz changed it up, looked a much neater fighter than in the past, just using his range more made him a deserved winner, even though it was close. Quality operators in and out the ring. Wouldn't be surprised if it swung back to Frampton in the rubber match.

Mikey Garcia looked P4P cracking an unbeaten granite chin. Looked a long tough fight beforehand

Great KO that, free shot delivered bang on the chin

I reckon thats why I couldn't be a boxer, if someone was standing in front of me with their chin hanging out like that I'd feel bad lamping them on it.

[Dean Duke]

Watched the fight this morning thought Cruz did extremely well with his reach n range very disciplined bit like Frampton in the 1st fight, had Cruz 3 rounds up, respect to Carl after the fight, if Cruz boxes like that again in fight 3 the Jackel is in trouble.

[Master]

I heard Johnny Nelson criticise Shane saying that he was telling Carl what is was doing wrong but not telling him what he had to do to win.

Does that mean that Shane is a bit over rated and when it comes to handling the big fights he does not have a plan B?

[Primo Carnera]

I heard Johnny Nelson criticise Shane saying that he was telling Carl what is was doing wrong but not telling him what he had to do to win.

Does that mean that Shane is a bit over rated and when it comes to handling the big fights he does not have a plan B?

No. It means Johnny Nelson has an opinion. I never heard Nelson say that , so can't comment on thy specifically, but I don't believe that Johnny Nelson is the oracle of Boxing.

[Master]

I have watched the fight and I had it a draw. I did not enjoy the fight at all and there was a lot of missing and inaction early on which is where Cruz supposedly won the fight.

Frampton finished stronger and should have forced the fight throughout the contest. Carl would have made Cruz revert to type and out boxed him.

They should not bother with a 3rd fight yet and meet at a later time if they need it.

[powerpuncher]

I have watched the fight and I had it a draw. I did not enjoy the fight at all and there was a lot of missing and inaction early on which is where Cruz supposedly won the fight.

Frampton finished stronger and should have forced the fight throughout the contest. Carl would have made Cruz revert to type and out boxed him.

They should not bother with a 3rd fight yet and meet at a later time if they need it.

Didn't enjoy the fight? Come on Master! I expected more from you.

[Primo Carnera]

I have watched the fight and I had it a draw. I did not enjoy the fight at all and there was a lot of missing and inaction early on which is where Cruz supposedly won the fight.

Frampton finished stronger and should have forced the fight throughout the contest. Carl would have made Cruz revert to type and out boxed him.

They should not bother with a 3rd fight yet and meet at a later time if they need it.

Wow! I thought it was a really interesting fight. Watching the changes Santa Cruz made after the first fight , using the jab more and nicking rounds in the last 30 seconds of rounds with massive work rate.
You have to respect the fact that Santa Cruz is a 3 weight World Champion before saying "Carl should've done this" and "Shane should've said that". Sometimes you just meet the better man on the night.
I also think Frampton loses nothing in defeat, he was top class before, during and after, just as Santa Cruz was in the 1st fight.
In this day and age where some fighters talk themselves into big money fights, I thought it was refreshing that 2 guys just went out there (twice) and left it all in the ring. I hope they put a 3rd fight on and both make a shit load of dough,they deserve it.
I know Frampton wants it in Belfast, can't blame him, but I think it will be in Vegas, as I reckon they will have caught the imagination of the U.S. Audience.

[Ron Swanson]

I have watched the fight and I had it a draw. I did not enjoy the fight at all and there was a lot of missing and inaction early on which is where Cruz supposedly won the fight.

Frampton finished stronger and should have forced the fight throughout the contest. Carl would have made Cruz revert to type and out boxed him.

They should not bother with a 3rd fight yet and meet at a later time if they need it.

You should call your mother an apologize that is such shitty scoring. Leo outlanded him in literally every single round. Only round 3 and 7 were even close in punches landed.

Those rounds you blindly saw Frampton finishing stronger he was outlanded

Round 9 12-25
Round 10 7-14
Round 11 16-24
Round 12 19-28

A draw, embarrassing. Maybe it's best for some not to score fights because sheesh, that's awful. Saying he closed stronger is equally embarrassing. In summation everything said was embarrassingly wrong. Put down the drugs.

[Master]

I knew what I said would be unpopular but the first fight was better. Ron, even the judges had Frampton winning the last couple of rounds.

[Master]

The President of the World Boxing Association (WBA) has cast doubt on the prospect of a third fight between Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz.

Gilberto Mendoza said the WBA may order a mandatory fight between featherweight champion Santa Cruz and his fellow Mexican Abner Mares.

Frampton beat Santa Cruz in New York in July 2016 before losing the Las Vegas rematch on points last month.

The Northern Irishman has said he wants to stage a trilogy fight in Belfast.

Mendoza has instead indicated Mares could be Santa Cruz's next opponent.

The pair fought two years ago for the WBA super featherweight title in Los Angeles, Santa Cruz beating the Mexican on a majority points decision.

Speaking at a press conference in Panama, Mendoza said the announcement could come within a week if Santa Cruz and Belfast fighter Frampton fail to reach an agreement for a third fight.

Santa Cruz would have to choose the option of a mandatory defence against Mares, or vacate the belt, possibly paving the way for Frampton to fight IBF world champion Lee Selby.

Carl Frampton: Triology fight against Leo Santa Cruz in jeopardy - BBC Sport

[GAME]

Mares?! I'm not sure I'm a fan of that rematch

i don't think frampton should go for an emmediate decider anyway. I think he's limiting his chances taking it so soon. Cruz had a tactical answer to him last time so Carl should go away get his confidence up possibly against lee Selby in a homecoming. Cruz could unify vs Russell then they can have a decider after now. Bows too soon for frampton even though his egos been hurt and he wants to avenge it soon, his management need to guide him selsewhere and his trainer needs to work on the gameplay more than he did last time

[Alpha]

I'd like to see Santa Cruz honor his word and fight the trilogy in Belfast. Frampton has fought twice in the US. I can understand the reservations Leo has but Carl didn't have to give him the immediate return but chose to.

[p4pking]

Easy to see both sides there, tough call. Yes the rubber match would make sense and be in order, but I thought the first fight between Frampton and SC was closer than the rematch also, and I was one of the people who thought Frampton would make the better adjustments in the second fight, probably a natural pick. LSC really surprised me with that one and if he were to repeat or improve on it in a third fight it would knock Frampton down a lot further than where he realistically is, might be better for him to go elsewhere and regroup. That said, I don't see the point in Santa Cruz and Mares doing it at all, for similar reasons really. All three are excellent fighters who may as well mix it up, long as they take solid challenges. I'd love to see Rigo move up and get a chance to stop rotting on the vine while he still has time, the guy is such a freaky talent.

[Alpha]

Easy to see both sides there, tough call. Yes the rubber match would make sense and be in order, but I thought the first fight between Frampton and SC was closer than the rematch also, and I was one of the people who thought Frampton would make the better adjustments in the second fight, probably a natural pick. LSC really surprised me with that one and if he were to repeat or improve on it in a third fight it would knock Frampton down a lot further than where he realistically is, might be better for him to go elsewhere and regroup. That said, I don't see the point in Santa Cruz and Mares doing it at all, for similar reasons really. All three are excellent fighters who may as well mix it up, long as they take solid challenges. I'd love to see Rigo move up and get a chance to stop rotting on the vine while he still has time, the guy is such a freaky talent.

Mares vs Selby & Frampton vs Santa Cruz III with the winners meeting. I think a 3rd fight needs to happen. I had Frampton winning the first, Santa Cruz the 2nd. It will be interesting to see who can make the correct adjustments in a 3rd meeting. I also thought both fights were entertaining. Even the Mares fight was none stop. Some good fights to be made any way they are matched.

[p4pking]

Easy to see both sides there, tough call. Yes the rubber match would make sense and be in order, but I thought the first fight between Frampton and SC was closer than the rematch also, and I was one of the people who thought Frampton would make the better adjustments in the second fight, probably a natural pick. LSC really surprised me with that one and if he were to repeat or improve on it in a third fight it would knock Frampton down a lot further than where he realistically is, might be better for him to go elsewhere and regroup. That said, I don't see the point in Santa Cruz and Mares doing it at all, for similar reasons really. All three are excellent fighters who may as well mix it up, long as they take solid challenges. I'd love to see Rigo move up and get a chance to stop rotting on the vine while he still has time, the guy is such a freaky talent.

Mares vs Selby & Frampton vs Santa Cruz III with the winners meeting. I think a 3rd fight needs to happen. I had Frampton winning the first, Santa Cruz the 2nd. It will be interesting to see who can make the correct adjustments in a 3rd meeting. I also thought both fights were entertaining. Even the Mares fight was none stop. Some good fights to be made any way they are matched.

Any option here isn't bad, for sure. I don't think either fight between Frampton and Santa Cruz were really disputable, but just the fact that LSC is seen as having his one element and yet made the adjustments to make the rematch wider than the first fight(imo) make it quite an ask for Frampton in a direct rubber match maybe, not sure it's the best thing for him. If he were to win of course it'd be that much better for him though, I just wouldn't mind seeing them take a different route either.