Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
You don't get that you've been brainwashed by the last 8 or 12 years of the mainstream media brainwashing of the people that you have to pick apart every little single word for example the Trump says and magnify that like it is exemplary of his overarching plans and policies. People want to say all boo hoo hoo boo hoo he said something about sweet and had an attack but there was no actual attack in Sweden oh boo hoo. There were plenty of attacks in Sweden buddy but just because there was not one at that particular moment or he got the date wrong or something everybody wants to say that it was a lie. And that therefore all of his policies are lies or based on lies. You are not seeing the forest for the trees and that is exactly what the mainstream media wants you to do. I think that is what you just don't get. It does not matter here or there or anywhere if Donald Trump says Sweden when in fact it was Belgium or if he says Belgium when in fact it was Sweden or whatever the hell if he says he had the most electoral votes since Ronald Reagan and it turns out that there was another president in between who had more whatever that is just simply not important. It is irrelevant. It cannot be used deductively or inductive lead to extrapolate anything about his policies or his character or his presidency. It is not the same thing as the mainstream media out and fabricate a story based on false sources and knows that the fault is our source or false and yet go ahead with the story anyway in a coordinated effort by the global Elite mainstream media which I am now calling fake stream media to try to completely take down a president. You are comparing apples and oranges but the mainstream media wants you to think that is the same thing. That is what I think you don't get.

If he lies about the little, insignificant shit... he'll lie about the stuff that's really important. If he shoots off the hip no matter who he offends or insults, people are going to criticize him. If you personally go around doing that in real life, you either have no friends, or you surround yourself with people as insensitive as you. Lines must be drawn and limits must be observed. We're supposed to be a civilized society, not a bunch of animals scrounging around killing and mauling. The defensiveness shown by you and most Trump supporters is mind-boggling. Not only do you lash out at the SJW's who go on stupid "He's Not My President" marches. You also lash out at people who are for the most part objective, and call 'em like they see 'em. Believe it or not, there are people in the media who are more than willing to give Trump a fair shake. Maybe not the majority, but some. But Trump, you, and all fanatical Trump supporters lump 'em all together, and call them every name in the book. Did Trump expose much of the media as being agenda-driven and sensationalistic? Sure. But he's plunged off the cliff, and you all have plunged off the cliff with him.



Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Here's what brockton is alluding to Tito.....

1. Listen to Trump, really listen closely to what he says and do this completely objectively
2. Read and Listen to the media cover his comments
3. Compare and contrast your feelings after 1. and 2....is one side a bit more crazy that the other? Typically it ends up that way.
4. Be aware, that Trump does 'tweak' the media, he'll say something innocent in a manner that will drive the media nuts.....the fact he opined on how he could be viewed so positively if only he'd attack that Russian ship sitting off our coast and said "but I'm not going to do that because it's not right for the American people"....that is the most logical, well reasoned, and unselfish line of thought I've ever heard ANY politician speak and what do we get from the media? 'Trump is secret friends with Putin' and 'Russia hacked the election' and 'Russia helped Trump win the election'.....Trump isn't an idiot, Putin isn't an idiot, so even if that WAS the case they'd pull some bullshit wag the dog armed conflict just to show 'Hey, we don't like each other'......Trump is out there saying I could take us to war with Russia and be a hero in the media OR I could attempt to make peace and be seen as some tyrant in the media....it's nonsensical the media is acting this way.


It's quite simple. The media is ASTOUNDINGLY out to get Donald Trump, I mean it would be hilarious if it wasn't true! The media want us to have a war with Russia....just think about that for a second and think about how ludicrous that is. We'd all be dead, all of us, the Earth would cease having life on it.....and the media is WELCOMING it.




But hey, you're going to get your message from who you like....I listen to Trump, I listen closely to what he says, I listen to some other people both rational and irrational and I compare and contrast the two.


This "us vs. them" stuff with you and Brock regarding Trump and the media is beyond astounding. It's this conspiracy theory where the media is, to borrow Trump's words, a well-oiled machine, out to do nothing but destroy Trump. Just today Trump appointed General H.R. McMaster as National Security Adviser, replacing Flynn. I watched CLOSELY and INTENTLY.... just like you do. The first opinion I heard was that of another General, whose name I don't remember right now. His opinion was a very good one. I decided right then and there I was going to measure the news commentators opinions and comments against this General's, who appeared to be sincere and knowledgeable. To my pleasant surprise, no one came out negatively, trying to put a negative spin on the pick. There may have been some "disappointed" commentators, chomping at the bit for Trump to fuck up again.... but at least in front of the camera they behaved.

A bit of sugar... a bit of salt (loosely translated Spanish saying that basically means you take the good with the bad). As I've said before... when Trump does good, I'm not afraid to admit it. When he fucks up, I'm not afraid to criticize him. That's what it's all about. Matter of fact, you should probably sit down for this one:

In a small circle of family and friends who discuss U.S. politics, there is one brother-in-law in particular who I'd say is a Trump hater. You wouldn't believe the times he and I have gotten into serious arguments, with him seeing everything in one color, which is what you and Brock pretty much do, but in the other direction. I, on the other hand, present a more even tone. As with you guys, I established from the very beginning that I preferred to take my chances with Trump than suffer through a Hillary presidential disaster. I enumerated the positive things I thought Trump brought to the Presidency, and the positive things to take away from his being elected. But I also agree with a lot of the criticisms leveled against him. The worst thing you can lose with the American people (or anybody) is credibility. Like I said, if his team can outright lie about the simplest things, when the real facts (not alternative) are staring everyone right in the face... there's no telling what they can do.

Contrary to what you and Brock might think, not everyone who doesn't bow at the feet of Trump's golden statue is the enemy. Some of us are just concerned, ordinary citizens, hoping for the best. Who knows... maybe when the waters calm down a little bit... we'll all find that Trump settles into the job, and weeds out the bad apples on his team. Or that he switches from Campaign Trump to President Trump. I hope he does. Whether that happens remains to be seen.