Fury, Haye, Ortiz, AJ even Whyte, they ALL beat Deontay

[Master]

Wilder is very flawed and incomplete, but he is fun. He goes all out with the bombs, which makes his fights quite exciting.

I think I can name a few worse boxers who held heavyweight 'titles' .... Charles Martin, Bruce Seldon, John Ruiz, Francesco Damiani and Henry Akinwande were all worse. Wilder would also have crushed the much smaller Roy Jones Jr too.

Hang on a minute, How was Damiani worse than Wilder? He got robbed out of a Gold Medal against Tyrell Biggs and he then avenged that in the pros. Biggs gave Lennox Lewis a hiding before robbing Damiani in the final as well. He also beat Greg Page. Who has Wilder beat that is better than Tyrell Biggs or Greg Page.

Italian nationalistic bias?

[Primo Carnera]

Wilder is very flawed and incomplete, but he is fun. He goes all out with the bombs, which makes his fights quite exciting.

I think I can name a few worse boxers who held heavyweight 'titles' .... Charles Martin, Bruce Seldon, John Ruiz, Francesco Damiani and Henry Akinwande were all worse. Wilder would also have crushed the much smaller Roy Jones Jr too.

Hang on a minute, How was Damiani worse than Wilder? He got robbed out of a Gold Medal against Tyrell Biggs and he then avenged that in the pros. Biggs gave Lennox Lewis a hiding before robbing Damiani in the final as well. He also beat Greg Page. Who has Wilder beat that is better than Tyrell Biggs or Greg Page.

Italian nationalistic bias?

Yeah, a bit.😄 tell you what , why don't we put Ingemar Johannson on the list as well? 😂😂

[X]

Wilder is very flawed and incomplete, but he is fun. He goes all out with the bombs, which makes his fights quite exciting.

I think I can name a few worse boxers who held heavyweight 'titles' .... Charles Martin, Bruce Seldon, John Ruiz, Francesco Damiani and Henry Akinwande were all worse. Wilder would also have crushed the much smaller Roy Jones Jr too.

Hang on a minute, How was Damiani worse than Wilder? He got robbed out of a Gold Medal against Tyrell Biggs and he then avenged that in the pros. Biggs gave Lennox Lewis a hiding before robbing Damiani in the final as well. He also beat Greg Page. Who has Wilder beat that is better than Tyrell Biggs or Greg Page.

You make a fair point, but I think the original thread was about professional heavyweight titleholders.

Damiani was an excellent amateur (the Italians have always produced good amateurs at heavyweight).

It's probably fair to say that he didn't really translate that into the pros, like many many really good amateurs.

AS A PRO, I still contend that Damiani was amongst the weakest heavyweight titleholders, even though it was the lightly regarded WBO title .... and also while Iron Mike was dominating the other titles.

[denilson200]

Wilder should worried about tearing a rotator cuff with those windmills. The only name on that list that I would be confident would beat Wilder is AJ.

Yeah sure Wilder is not technically not great but neither was Aaron Pryor or the young George Foreman.

There's guys out there that have power but can't land it and therefore suck like Edison Miranda.

Landing it is a skill. Wilder lands it.

He lost every round on Saturday. But still got the KO. He’s won 37 out of 37 and has only had to go the distance once and was an Olympic bronze medallist.

But it was Joshua who signed a deal to fight Wlad. I never heard Wilder call out Wlad and when AJ takes care of Clinch-ko then we move forward into the post Clinch-ko era.

We have several undefeated champions, all of whom truly want to unify.

So I do think the division is improving. WBC/WBO champion Wilder vs WBA/IBF champion Joshua, undefeated vs undefeated, to crown the first undisputed champion since 1999 and the first grand slam champion ever is such a massive fight it's not even funny.

So I'm very optimistic about the heavyweight division right now.

[Spicoli]

Damiani was pretty bad but when you dig into Wilders early 24,25 fights its embarrassing compared to at least a couple decent types Daminain had beat at same point. Wilder was fighting a guy off two 5 yr layoffs who was previously 175. The Italian pastry was schooling Ray Mercer before an uppercut shattered his nose and even after that he was the original replacement vs Holyfield when Tyson pulled out. Fortunately he 'hurt his ankle' and we got Bert Coopers power instead

[Primo Carnera]

Wilder is very flawed and incomplete, but he is fun. He goes all out with the bombs, which makes his fights quite exciting.

I think I can name a few worse boxers who held heavyweight 'titles' .... Charles Martin, Bruce Seldon, John Ruiz, Francesco Damiani and Henry Akinwande were all worse. Wilder would also have crushed the much smaller Roy Jones Jr too.

Hang on a minute, How was Damiani worse than Wilder? He got robbed out of a Gold Medal against Tyrell Biggs and he then avenged that in the pros. Biggs gave Lennox Lewis a hiding before robbing Damiani in the final as well. He also beat Greg Page. Who has Wilder beat that is better than Tyrell Biggs or Greg Page.

You make a fair point, but I think the original thread was about professional heavyweight titleholders.

Damiani was an excellent amateur (the Italians have always produced good amateurs at heavyweight).

It's probably fair to say that he didn't really translate that into the pros, like many many really good amateurs.

AS A PRO, I still contend that Damiani was amongst the weakest heavyweight titleholders, even though it was the lightly regarded WBO title .... and also while Iron Mike was dominating the other titles.

To be fair, I was a bit tongue in cheek when I posted that, but only a bit. I take your point about his amateur career being better than his pro career, but I stand by the fact that he's beaten better guys than Wilder has. And Wilder is nearly 40-0 for fucks sake.