"P4P no.1!" Chocolatito-vs-Thai Bang Bang Merchant - (Golovkin-Jacobs undercard)

[Mr140]

No i'm far from becoming the new ross - I'm not blissfully unaware that i'm thick as shit.

All the division Gonzalez has been in does not even have 800 active fighters in it all between 500-700 fighters.

There's over 2000 fighters between strawweight and superfly (the divisions he's fought in). But even if a division has only 500 active fighters at least they have to train and make weight.

There's 1200 heavyweights. What percentage are genuinely skilled boxers/athletes? Loads of them are borderline obese, they have skill but the luxury of not having to train. So I would assume the overall quality of the smaller weights trumps the lack of quantity argument.

It makes sense that welterweight historically provides the best quality and quantity as it's the closest to the average size of all men from all over the world.

I disagree with you on the skill level just because there faster does not make them more skilled. Not to mention they do not have to worry about being ended in blink of a eye. I was not impressed by a guy going toe to toe with nobody that in his last few fights was going against fighters that where in there debut. If he is going life and death with unknown guy who was fight debut fighters that division makes heavyweight look stacked. I disagree with skill level not many men are that size and there no real money in the division to make people want to cut. Easy to try to say hw is unskilled but it harder to box someone who can end you in punch makes the fight look different.

I never said heavyweights lacked skill. Obviously a big man will never have the speed, stamina or punch output of a small man but makes up for it with power, longevity, wear and tear. Actual skills, boxing brain, heart, balls, dedication etc is the exact same whether you're 6'6, 240 or 5'3 115.

I was merely rebutting the notion that there's a lack of strength in depth at lighter weights.

Between the entire USA and Europe there are 50 registered flyweights. There are 110 in Japan alone, 141 in Mexico. Obviously the strength in depth is far, far greater depending on the region.

Just because you don't know who the fighters are, they don't get paid 7-figure purses, fight more regular and come from a different culture (non-title bouts in between championship fights were common in the old days of western boxing) doesn't mean they lack quality. Far from it, it's the opposite.

I'm specifically talking about the substance of divisions/weight-classes not P4P. Fair enough if you don't think so and so is P4P, choose whoever you want, there's no right or wrong.

Yes I believe the quality of guys in the lighter divisions is just as good - if not stronger - as other divisions.

Once again... Chocolatito has competed at the highest level among a pool of over 2000 fighters, there's not a lack of talent or competition, they are just not famous fighters, competing in weight-classes that are not heavily supported or popular in the west.

Kovalev has never fought outside lightheavy. That division currently holds just 1100 fighters, so his career competition pool to date is 50% of Chocolatito's.

Ok but when you look at Crawford he has fought in talent pool of 3858 and has been super dominate while doing so at lw and lww. Anyone that moves between 135 and 147 has huge pool of fighters that compete with way more money. Not to mention 147 that division is deeper and more talented then any division Chocolatito has been in. Crawford is probably most talented fighter I have seen in a while hard time seeing him under that guy at the very least.