Some cultures are better than others ? True, False, Impossible to answer conclusively

[El Kabong]

I agree that grasping at straws is evidence of a failing argument. The whole premise of Lyle's argument though is a classic straw man argument. It precedes on the notion that extreme proponents of violence in Islam are evidence of an entire culture being inferior to another. It matters not to him that nobody is arguing that these extremists do not exist, he just wants to infer that is what people are saying in order to shout louder which to him is the same as winning an argument. In fact in the terrorists thread he took me saying that the police could find no evidence to suggest the person involved had anything to do with Isis or Daesh as evidence of me making excuses for a terrorist. So go figure that one. Everything to him is about winning and yet he cannot construct an argument with any real skill or aptitude and that is why he has to repost other people's opinion for several years in a thread that nobody but himself is reading. (not this one).

So for Lyle it matters not that extremists hijack Christianity to do unspeakable deeds because he is not really interested in debating facts only espousing his own facts which are superior to everyone else's. Self -described is irrelevant, extremist Muslim preachers are self- described Muslims and also first class morons. The idea that Gd told anybody anything is about as reliable as "your cheque is in the mail" but that is the basis of most religions.

It is also quite noteworthy that despite not agreeing with Lyle's assertion that not only have you not voted but you would rather pick holes in my post. I understand that it is difficult to see from inside but Christianity has been used and continues too be used daily to justify acts of murderous barbarity.

Extremists hijack Christianity to do unspeakable deeds eh......deeds you've listed? Like:
400 years of Trans Atlantic Slave Trade that maimed, raped, killed, kidnapped, and enslaved 20 million Africans "heathens" to bring them to Christ
—Genocide of Native Americans under the name of Christ as Manifest Destiny
—Genocide of Australian Aborigines that killed 90% of their population in less than a century, again by Christian Europeans
—Salem Witch Trials
—Spanish Inquisition
—Crusades


...I do believe I countered your list with

-The Arab Slave trade and IF we're to say the Civil War was 100% about just slavery (that is not my personal belief but the popular one)THEN some 620,000 WHITE MEN died to free the slaves
-Show me a civilization that hasn't done that
-That's Australia and not america, I live in America I shan't answer for their shortcomings
-20 whole people died, 20
-SPANISH
-The Crusades were a reaction to the expanse of the Umayyad Caliphate #themuzziesdidndunuthin



Beanz, you have brought NOTHING to the debate, absolutely nothing. You and your what aboutery is nothing, you bring up old bullshit, I'm bringing you what is happening in the present day in MY culture vs cultures outside of where I am which do things that I may or may not agree with.

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a lot of cultures, there's something to dislike/not agree with in every culture....but when I find I dislike/disagree with a lot of what a culture is bringing about, then yeah I'm going to use the part of my culture (1st Amendment Free Speech) to call it out and say it's bullshit.....polygamy is bullshit, polygamy with MINORS is even worse, tossing gays off of rooftops is BULLSHIT, I guess you still need me to go on with this because you apparently ARE just that fucking dense, but hey I'll defend my stance all day long and twice on Sunday. ....oh part of the law (not the culture) where I'm from is that the liquor stores are closed on Sundays, I dislike that and don't agree with that....happy?

[TitoFan]

—In America white supremacists who are self-described Christian are the single largest terror threat to American security, that's according to the FBI and 392 police agencies in a study published last year
—George Bush, a devout Christian, said God told him to invade Iraq, where by some estimates 1 million civilians were killed due to this unjust war

The key words you used were "self-described". White supremacists can call themselves whatever the hell they want. They do not represent the values or principles of real Christians. This should be a totally obvious fact, but for some reason I had to say it anyway. If George Bush really said that, then it just strengthens my opinion of him as a first-class moron. George Bush could barely speak intelligibly in public... and his assertion that God told him ANYTHING is about as reliable as "your check is in the mail."

It's ok to make an argument. But grasping at straws is often seen as evidence of a failing argument.

I agree that grasping at straws is evidence of a failing argument. The whole premise of Lyle's argument though is a classic straw man argument. It precedes on the notion that extreme proponents of violence in Islam are evidence of an entire culture being inferior to another. It matters not to him that nobody is arguing that these extremists do not exist, he just wants to infer that is what people are saying in order to shout louder which to him is the same as winning an argument. In fact in the terrorists thread he took me saying that the police could find no evidence to suggest the person involved had anything to do with Isis or Daesh as evidence of me making excuses for a terrorist. So go figure that one. Everything to him is about winning and yet he cannot construct an argument with any real skill or aptitude and that is why he has to repost other people's opinion for several years in a thread that nobody but himself is reading. (not this one).

So for Lyle it matters not that extremists hijack Christianity to do unspeakable deeds because he is not really interested in debating facts only espousing his own facts which are superior to everyone else's. Self -described is irrelevant, extremist Muslim preachers are self- described Muslims and also first class morons. The idea that Gd told anybody anything is about as reliable as "your cheque is in the mail" but that is the basis of most religions.

It is also quite noteworthy that despite not agreeing with Lyle's assertion that not only have you not voted but you would rather pick holes in my post. I understand that it is difficult to see from inside but Christianity has been used and continues too be used daily to justify acts of murderous barbarity.

No, I have not voted and if I did, I'd probably go with option 3. Admittedly, it's difficult for me not to generalize on a certain culture when all you hear in the news are the terrorist acts almost on a daily basis. But I force myself to think that there have to be individuals in each and every culture who are decent human beings, who themselves may be horrified by what is carried out by their fellow countrymen or practitioners, whatever the correct term may apply here. Admittedly, it's not easy to avoid falling into that generalization trap. But I feel we have to rise above that.

Are there questionable practices backed by different religions? Sure. But they're questionable to US. Hardly the 3rd party, objective observer to judge on those things. Eating is probably not a good analogy here... but some cultures view eating cows as sacrilegious and barbaric. We think the same thing about eating dogs and cats. In some cultures women are still seen as having the obligation to obey the man. We think that's backward, but even the women in those cultures defend the beliefs.

It's a complex subject, but I'd rather err on the safe side. If option 3 were taken away and I was forced at gunpoint to answer the question... I'd say "yes", but with the caveat that my answer is not at all objective.

[Master]

—In America white supremacists who are self-described Christian are the single largest terror threat to American security, that's according to the FBI and 392 police agencies in a study published last year
—George Bush, a devout Christian, said God told him to invade Iraq, where by some estimates 1 million civilians were killed due to this unjust war

The key words you used were "self-described". White supremacists can call themselves whatever the hell they want. They do not represent the values or principles of real Christians. This should be a totally obvious fact, but for some reason I had to say it anyway. If George Bush really said that, then it just strengthens my opinion of him as a first-class moron. George Bush could barely speak intelligibly in public... and his assertion that God told him ANYTHING is about as reliable as "your check is in the mail."

It's ok to make an argument. But grasping at straws is often seen as evidence of a failing argument.

Bush did often call the war on Iraq a crusade.

[El Kabong]

—In America white supremacists who are self-described Christian are the single largest terror threat to American security, that's according to the FBI and 392 police agencies in a study published last year
—George Bush, a devout Christian, said God told him to invade Iraq, where by some estimates 1 million civilians were killed due to this unjust war

The key words you used were "self-described". White supremacists can call themselves whatever the hell they want. They do not represent the values or principles of real Christians. This should be a totally obvious fact, but for some reason I had to say it anyway. If George Bush really said that, then it just strengthens my opinion of him as a first-class moron. George Bush could barely speak intelligibly in public... and his assertion that God told him ANYTHING is about as reliable as "your check is in the mail."

It's ok to make an argument. But grasping at straws is often seen as evidence of a failing argument.

Bush did often call the war on Iraq a crusade.

Which was and is a poor choice of words considering the enemy. And that has WHAT to do with my culture?


You don't see me getting all upset recounting the numerous centuries/millenea old horrible jihads waged against unbelievers whenever ANY Muslim calls for a jihad do you? Nooooooooooo but you say "Crusade" regarding a majority Muslim nation ruled by a complete cunt and it's like showing Dracula the sunlight.....fucking ridiculous.