Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
What you could do is start by using your own standards to examine your own culture. You are correct in pointing out the ridiculousness of abrogation but this is the fatal flaw with most religions. Even your own reading of the Bible shows how deeply ingrained it is in your culture. So for you the Old Testament is that of an strict and Judgmental God and the New Testament is one of peace and grace. This is largely because most Christians have no idea of what they call the Old Testament even means, and the translations they are reading are incredibly inaccurate and clumsy works by people with a vested interest in obscuring the truth. You don't get much more Judgemental than Paul and the Pauline version of Christianity either, so the 'New' Testament itself is not so forgiving as you would have us believe. In fact the flawed, arrogant and incredibly patronising Christian idea of Jesus coming to fulfill the commandments of Gd perfectly and therefore negate the Old Testament, the need for sacrifice, the covenant between Gd and the Jews etc is a classic example of abrogation not being merely and Islamic Idea.

Even on a micro level the ordination of women, the acceptance of Homosexuality, etc shows how Christians are constantly picking and choosing what to update with their faith. This is the fatal flaw. How can a perfect omnipotent Gd gets things wrong? why do humans need to constantly revise what is relevant and not among words supposedly directly coming from him? This to me seems to be incredibly convenient for humans in power to use as a way of controlling other people.


So if like you we are going to judge a culture based upon extremists or people inflicting extreme behavior on to others and using that culture as an excuse we should look at Christianity in the same way as you are looking at Islam ?



400 years of Trans Atlantic Slave Trade that maimed, raped, killed, kidnapped, and enslaved 20 million Africans "heathens" to bring them to Christ
—Genocide of Native Americans under the name of Christ as Manifest Destiny
—Genocide of Australian Aborigines that killed 90% of their population in less than a century, again by Christian Europeans
—Salem Witch Trials
—Spanish Inquisition
—Crusades


ooh no you say...those are in the past


—The Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda that has maimed, raped, & killed up to 100,000 people according to the UN, during the past 15 years, which is far more destructive than ISIS, and they've done so to establish Biblical Law as a self-described Christian organization
—In Central Africa Republic Christian Militias have destroyed every single mosque and the UN reports that Muslims are facing ethnic cleansing, withreports that Christians are cannibalizing Muslims, literally
—In America white supremacists who are self-described Christian are the single largest terror threat to American security, that's according to the FBI and 392 police agencies in a study published last year
—George Bush, a devout Christian, said God told him to invade Iraq, where by some estimates 1 million civilians were killed due to this unjust war
Did I say or even imply that my culture was perfect? No of course not, but the Last puritan of Plymouth is frothing at the mouth to attack my supposed protecting of my culture...being careful to not take a stance here or there, but just take himself out of the situation altogether and play referee.

"In fact the flawed, arrogant and incredibly patronising Christian idea of Jesus coming to fulfill the commandments of Gd perfectly and therefore negate the Old Testament, the need for sacrifice, the covenant between Gd and the Jews etc is a classic example of abrogation not being merely and Islamic Idea."

......Beanz, again the point is Islam gets MORE violent as you read it, The Bible gets LESS violent....Jesus isn't out raping pillaging and murdering the way Muhammad is. I'm sorry that you apparently do not fucking understand or comprehend that or the fucking relevance of that but it's #1 The truth and #2 Very troublesome when it comes to people practicing Islamic Fundamentalism vs Christian Fundamentalism.


Oh no the Trans Atlantic Slave trade!!!!! 400 years....OH NOES.

Arab Slave trade from 7th Century to ......oh it hasn't seemed to end just yet, well it doesn't seem fair to compare and contrast that

The rest of the drivel you peddle out here and attempt to morally grandstand with is fucking pathetic.

"—Genocide of Native Americans under the name of Christ as Manifest Destiny
—Genocide of Australian Aborigines that killed 90% of their population in less than a century, again by Christian Europeans
—Salem Witch Trials
—Spanish Inquisition
—Crusades
"

Those events happened in the PAST

radical Militant Islam is an issue NOW


Beanz the Salem Witch Trials took 20 lives....20......and you're listing that alongside what you deem as genocide.


Also Beanz would you be so kind as to tell me what cultures NEVER had slavery of any form and NEVER held combat in order to expand their borders....would ya do me a kindness and list those cultures please? It is more than a little humorous that the very Natives you whinge about did THE EXACT FUCKING THING you wish to give all the blame to MY culture for and I'm wondering Beanz how you reconcile that? How does that fit in your noggin? That sit well with you? You feel all nice and smug about that do you? And again, MY culture had fuck all to do with the Aborigines....that's another group from England altogether, criminals placed on an island away from her Majesty's sight.

And again....just because in the past my culture has not been perfect...it doesn't make the Radical Militant Islam culture look any better.....yeah Christianity had a reformation and yeah it was ugly at times, BUT everybody dug deep, they got through it and boom here we are in a better day and age for Christians (so long as you're not near any majority Muslim areas).


Here's a neato factoid you may not have thought about....you can build a Mosque in the United States........in Saudi Arabia and Iran, you CANNOT build a Synagogue, you CANNOT build a Church......yes, I stand by my statement, SOME CULTURES ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS....not just in theory, but in fucking practice.