Quote Originally Posted by Taeth
Ok so I've watched a fair share of his fights, and how can a person say he would still be great today if he was fighting? Sure in his day he was great, but he is flawed in so many obvious ways I was shocked at how people still say he had great defense and the like... First I watched Lamotta fight where at times Lamotta would land 4-5punch combinations on Robinson... I saw no tricky footwork I saw no ability to counter of the ropes without reckless abandon. Sure Ray had all the skills for his time heart, speed, power, but he isn't as fast as Roy Jones or Mayweather, Mosley, etc. He could throw big combinations, but nobody put their hands up back then... It would be like hitting a back... when Ray would hit somebody with his first punch their immediat response was to punch back instead of covering up. His timing was nothing special. I could expect other places to say overexaggerate his ability in less knowledgeble forums, but never here. I think people who say he is p4p the greatest ever should watch his fights again from a non-biased point of few then say if his defenses measure up to the likes of Mayweather or WHitaker... if his combinations where as quick and deadly as Leonard, Mosley, Taylor, or most of all Jones.
Crap!!
I think we should re-write the history of boxing cause this isn't gonna work out.
Guess we've ALL been wrongfuly directed or told to believe SRR is the best P4P, and at his best he was unbeatable.
damn!! that Bert Sugar and his cigar.... fwocken liar.


Just joking around with 'ya Taeth.... In all seriousness though,
I admire that you stepped out and gave us your thoughts but you should really look more into it. Theres more to it then just looking at videos, what about the names he faced, what about the number of fights he had, what about how often he fought, what about how many loses he had thats right loses compared to number of fights.
His pro debut was 10-4-1940 you wanna when his next fight was? It was 4 days later. His last fight was 11-10-1965 thats 35 yrs.
Shet!!! Baseball or Football players don't have those kind of numbers.

So you say Sugar had poor defense, bad footwork, no counter, Well I can tell you that even todays fighters if you were to put them in the ring back then they wouldn't do so well either I don't care how much speed RJJ has, PBF or Mosely.
Fucken rugged fighters from back then would get away with a lot of shit!! in the ring if you've seen the footage then you know what I'm talking about. So you see I don't fully agree on this whole thing about if so and so fought today or whatever cause you can only speculate.
But what really made this thread like a 'Twilight Zone' type of thing was Taylors name in the same breath as SRR that right there just did it for me.