UK general election

[Gandalf]

I never said he was pro Cameron, I am just giving you an example of someone who is out of touch

If you're saying Cameron is just as out of touch as Corbyn then good on you, you get it. If you're saying Cameron is MORE out of touch than Corbyn then I'm afraid I don't follow how that could be the case.

Corbyn is far from out of touch. The first person in several decades who seems normal and decent and has policies that will help people. It's time to shock a few people. Scum has risen to the surface lately and the toilet needs a good flush.

You guys got Trump who is the biggest fraud in history. Latest: 'I love Wikileaks....now arrest him'. Britain has the chance for something better than the dross you were offered, now let's see if people can see through the fake news. They did with Brexit. The same can happen again. Corbyn is on the trail every single day while May is scared to face the people. She is loathed. Once you see Corbyn you know it is right so he will see everyone until voting day.

[brocktonblockbust]

I never said he was pro Cameron, I am just giving you an example of someone who is out of touch

If you're saying Cameron is just as out of touch as Corbyn then good on you, you get it. If you're saying Cameron is MORE out of touch than Corbyn then I'm afraid I don't follow how that could be the case.

Corbyn is far from out of touch. The first person in several decades who seems normal and decent and has policies that will help people. It's time to shock a few people. Scum has risen to the surface lately and the toilet needs a good flush.

You guys got Trump who is the biggest fraud in history. Latest: 'I love Wikileaks....now arrest him'. Britain has the chance for something better than the dross you were offered, now let's see if people can see through the fake news. They did with Brexit. The same can happen again. Corbyn is on the trail every single day while May is scared to face the people. She is loathed. Once you see Corbyn you know it is right so he will see everyone until voting day.

so you dont believe how complex the world is? What if Trump has a stratagem and he's doing a psy-op for a long term goal? You Brits are pathetically superficial and knee-jerk reactionary/gullible. Gandalf is the best of the lot, but Beanz and Rocco are the utterest NUTTERS and TWATS in UK history

[Gandalf]

Oh get real, will you. Long term psy op? You couldn't make up some of the nonsense you lot come out with. Maybe a more simple explanation is that your President has the early symptoms of Alzheimer's and simply makes it up as he goes along. He cannot even speak in full sentences or form them on Twitter. You are now in so deep with the Trump thing that you have no way out. He doesn't give a hoot about you and your life will get a lot worse. A one term show really as the blacklash is already growing.

The fact that you now show such hatred of Corbyn shows you in your flip floppy form and you are clearly in bed with some of the most insidious right wing views imaginable. How about you leave the Arabs alone and fix your own mess? The UK would do much better seeking a new path away from the deranged neo liberal let's shit on everyone except the rich and bomb anyone we like methodology. People can and should expect better. Just because you have given up and want to revel in chaos and hell doesn't mean everyone else has to. Some people want a future.

[X]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

[Gandalf]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

If you look at the debt levels the Tories are the biggest borrowers. Truth is the UK is in a hole and it will get worse as the next crash hits in. The Tories know it is coming and with Brexit making it worse want to extend their stay while they can. Meanwhile the media maintains the Corbyn is inept stance thus making it easier for them.

Corbyn's policies are sublime. With what is coming maybe the Tories deserve to be in charge though. The only problem is that the UK will be done for. It will be too far gone to ever fix again. Yet if Labour get in they still have to mop up the Tories mess. Tories have doubled the debt despite the nonsense austerity agenda that kills the vulnerable and meant the rise of food banks and homelessness.

Tragic.

[Master]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

If you look at the debt levels the Tories are the biggest borrowers. Truth is the UK is in a hole and it will get worse as the next crash hits in. The Tories know it is coming and with Brexit making it worse want to extend their stay while they can. Meanwhile the media maintains the Corbyn is inept stance thus making it easier for them.

Corbyn's policies are sublime. With what is coming maybe the Tories deserve to be in charge though. The only problem is that the UK will be done for. It will be too far gone to ever fix again. Yet if Labour get in they still have to mop up the Tories mess. Tories have doubled the debt despite the nonsense austerity agenda that kills the vulnerable and meant the rise of food banks and homelessness.

Tragic.

I agree with what you say about paying for all this and I do not think giving more money to the NHS is the answer as I believe efficiency savings can be made by these massive public sector organisations.

However the Tories austerity measures are not because they care about the next generation being burdened with debt but are ideologically driven to simply cut public expenditure and increase the private sector, so that when they retire they will sit on their boards as payback.

Tories do not care for the very poor and vulnerable in society. Inequality means cheap labour and zero hour contracts and reducing workers’ rights fits their agenda. A rise in Food banks and vulnerable people dying because they cannot pay their gas bills will increase. Teresa May says she wants to defend the oppressed but that is her admittance that they are a result of her governments policies.

[El Kabong]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

Good man!


Yes indeed, where does the money come from?

[Master]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

Good man!


Yes indeed, where does the money come from?

The millions paid to off shore accounts to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

[El Kabong]

The millions paid to off shore accounts to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

Only the offshore accounts?

Jeremy Corbyn faces questions over release of his tax return | The Independent



Tax and spend lefties

[walrus]

Looking at Labours list (that Beanz posted), most of those things seem quite good and sensible things.

The problem, for me anyway, is that all those things cost billions and billions of pounds. Where's the money going to come from?

Labour have usually been a 'spending' government and that's the beauty of alternating governments because the Tories traditionally cut spending.

Both either spend or cut too much, so regular government changes tend to mean we get about the right amount of spending v cuts.

Ive never quite forgiven Gordon Brown for ruining all our pensions and selling all our gold reserves at their lowest value to fund his spending promises.

It's true X. It would be great to see everyone be equal although greed would not allow that anyway but is it governments job to do this? How big do these deficits go and how much do these programs feed the government as well as have people become over reliant on the entity. 20 trillion dollars is what we have racked up doing that. We borrow 100,000 dollars every minute and there is no end to these social programs. Men are not angels so they need government but the government should be limited because men are not angels. So said James Madison anyway. I payed 8,000 dollars in deductions on one job plus sales tax, plus property tax, plus car tax, plus capital gains, plus sales tax and my wife makes much more than me. We probably paid 25,000 in taxes if not more. What the fuck? I don't mind paying my share but I'm middle class. It becomes harder and harder to maintain. One crisis can wipe u out

[Gandalf]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

[walrus]

Thing is everything Corbyn suggests is accounted for financially. It's simply about reversing the grotesque giveaways to the rich that the Tories brought in. The debt has doubled under the Tories as a result. They have no vision beyond giving their mates things in the here and now. In the long run this is devastating as no money is put into research or long term sustainability. You see it with Brexit, they obviously do not understand what they are doing and I say that as a pro Brexit person. You have dunces in control of areas of life that are incredibly sensitive and important.

All this 'Who will pay for it?' stuff is simple and it isn't the ordinary bloke working 40 hours a week for 1500 pounds a month nor the disabled this time. It's who should have been paying all along. The corporations, the tax scammer, the rich, the dead, etc.

And then more businesses leave or fold, more people out of work and the situation gets worse. Just as it always does. Corporations aren't evil, they employ millions of people