France *ROLLS OVER* to Merkel's EU Dictatorship/doesn't go HEROIC WAY OF UK

[Beanz]

You called the threadFrance *ROLLS OVER* to Merkel's EU Dictatorship/doesn't go HEROIC WAY OF UKYou don't get much more patronising then that. How exactly is that respecting the election result ?American Imperialism with a topping of cowardly lies because neither of you can admit it

You can be patronizing AND still respect the result of the election those aren't mutually exclusive. brockton wasn't calling for a recount or saying "This election was hacked by Russia!!!!!" but apparently this is lost on you.

Except you have argued the exact opposite minutes ago.

[El Kabong]

You called the threadFrance *ROLLS OVER* to Merkel's EU Dictatorship/doesn't go HEROIC WAY OF UKYou don't get much more patronising then that. How exactly is that respecting the election result ?American Imperialism with a topping of cowardly lies because neither of you can admit it

You can be patronizing AND still respect the result of the election those aren't mutually exclusive. brockton wasn't calling for a recount or saying "This election was hacked by Russia!!!!!" but apparently this is lost on you.

Except you have argued the exact opposite minutes ago.

Gee thanks for providing the actual evidence for that

[Beanz]

You called the threadFrance *ROLLS OVER* to Merkel's EU Dictatorship/doesn't go HEROIC WAY OF UKYou don't get much more patronising then that. How exactly is that respecting the election result ?American Imperialism with a topping of cowardly lies because neither of you can admit it

You can be patronizing AND still respect the result of the election those aren't mutually exclusive. brockton wasn't calling for a recount or saying "This election was hacked by Russia!!!!!" but apparently this is lost on you.

Except you have argued the exact opposite minutes ago.

Gee thanks for providing the actual evidence for that

When you say bark remember I am not your dog. Go fetch lazy

[El Kabong]

You called the threadFrance *ROLLS OVER* to Merkel's EU Dictatorship/doesn't go HEROIC WAY OF UKYou don't get much more patronising then that. How exactly is that respecting the election result ?American Imperialism with a topping of cowardly lies because neither of you can admit it

You can be patronizing AND still respect the result of the election those aren't mutually exclusive. brockton wasn't calling for a recount or saying "This election was hacked by Russia!!!!!" but apparently this is lost on you.

Except you have argued the exact opposite minutes ago.

Gee thanks for providing the actual evidence for that

When you say bark remember I am not your dog. Go fetch lazy

It's called providing evidence to back up your claims. Again, many thanks for the personal attack you're doing a great job

[X]

I really don't know enough about Macron to have a view, other than the usual bollocks that gets reported in the press on by internet whack jobs.

I do know enough about the Front Nationale to be relieved that Le Pen isn't the winner, though.

This was the party originally founded by veterans of the Algerian wars, who were complicit in torture, corruption and the worst kind of excess during the conflict (as both sides were), formed from a hardcore clique of Foreign Legionnaires, many of whom were Nazi war criminals. The party thought the Nazi occupation of most of Europe was 'not too bad'. That's a direct quote from Le Pens father. They are consistently anti Semitic, anti Arab and anti anybody who is not white French. Talking about Russia .... the FN also had a £9m loan from a Czech front bank based in Moscow which they never paid back.

It may be that many Americans might not know what the National Front really is? We have them in the UK too. They are a far far right, Nazi sympathising white supremacist group. I'm astounded they are now being taken seriously and seem somehow legitimised. It's quite scary.

Im all for sticking it to the Man ..... but these people are the rough equivalent of the Christian Nationalist Crusade in the US, of the English Defence League or British NF. Brockton, I personally can't see it as heroic to vote for them (more fearful, scared and angry- that I get)

Its in the British national interest to have an economically strong neighbour, with an element of internal social cohesion. I voted 'Leave' for Brexit, but I didn't necessarily vote for the complete and utter sudden collapse of the EU, which would truly be a global catastrophe

I'm still going to France on holiday in a few weeks though.

[Gandalf]

My own point was mainly that the media has been one sided and surely I am not the only one thinking Macron is a bit of an oddball with his odd relationship, banker backing and dodgy personal affairs. His Mrs was a mother of 3 who decided to start a relationship with a kid she was teaching. I find that pretty sick. You basically had that or Le Pen who I don't have much in common with. I would also like the media to define 'Far right' once in a while because I am against open borders and I certainly don't associate with anything on the right. I just don't like huge concentrations of undemocratic power or a host country giving everything away for the sake of cheap labour. You see the well dodgy aspect with a lot of these leaders. Blair and his public toilets arrest, Clinton with his trail of sexual abuse, this guy now who is obviously a bit fruity. My guess is they are easily blackmailed.

[brocktonblockbust]

@El Kabong Beanz can tell you that #RussiaHackedFrenchElection

[Beanz]

I really don't know enough about Macron to have a view, other than the usual bollocks that gets reported in the press on by internet whack jobs.I do know enough about the Front Nationale to be relieved that Le Pen isn't the winner, though.This was the party originally founded by veterans of the Algerian wars, who were complicit in torture, corruption and the worst kind of excess during the conflict (as both sides were), formed from a hardcore clique of Foreign Legionnaires, many of whom were Nazi war criminals. The party thought the Nazi occupation of most of Europe was 'not too bad'. That's a direct quote from Le Pens father. They are consistently anti Semitic, anti Arab and anti anybody who is not white French. Talking about Russia .... the FN also had a £9m loan from a Czech front bank based in Moscow which they never paid back.It may be that many Americans might not know what the National Front really is? We have them in the UK too. They are a far far right, Nazi sympathising white supremacist group. I'm astounded they are now being taken seriously and seem somehow legitimised. It's quite scary.Im all for sticking it to the Man ..... but these people are the rough equivalent of the Christian Nationalist Crusade in the US, of the English Defence League or British NF. Brockton, I personally can't see it as heroic to vote for them (more fearful, scared and angry- that I get)Its in the British national interest to have an economically strong neighbour, with an element of internal social cohesion. I voted 'Leave' for Brexit, but I didn't necessarily vote for the complete and utter sudden collapse of the EU, which would truly be a global catastrophe I'm still going to France on holiday in a few weeks though.

Brilliant post. I notice how it is completely ignored by Miles,Lyle and Brockton though. I really think that it is more anti European rather than anti EU feelings from all three. As a European it's incredibly condescending and very typical of a growing trend across the pond.

[Gandalf]

No, I agree with some of what X is saying. Le Pen wasn't a viable choice either. It ends being between a battle of the freaks. France like America deserved a little better than that charade.

[El Kabong]

I really don't know enough about Macron to have a view, other than the usual bollocks that gets reported in the press on by internet whack jobs.I do know enough about the Front Nationale to be relieved that Le Pen isn't the winner, though.This was the party originally founded by veterans of the Algerian wars, who were complicit in torture, corruption and the worst kind of excess during the conflict (as both sides were), formed from a hardcore clique of Foreign Legionnaires, many of whom were Nazi war criminals. The party thought the Nazi occupation of most of Europe was 'not too bad'. That's a direct quote from Le Pens father. They are consistently anti Semitic, anti Arab and anti anybody who is not white French. Talking about Russia .... the FN also had a £9m loan from a Czech front bank based in Moscow which they never paid back.It may be that many Americans might not know what the National Front really is? We have them in the UK too. They are a far far right, Nazi sympathising white supremacist group. I'm astounded they are now being taken seriously and seem somehow legitimised. It's quite scary.Im all for sticking it to the Man ..... but these people are the rough equivalent of the Christian Nationalist Crusade in the US, of the English Defence League or British NF. Brockton, I personally can't see it as heroic to vote for them (more fearful, scared and angry- that I get)Its in the British national interest to have an economically strong neighbour, with an element of internal social cohesion. I voted 'Leave' for Brexit, but I didn't necessarily vote for the complete and utter sudden collapse of the EU, which would truly be a global catastrophe I'm still going to France on holiday in a few weeks though.

Brilliant post. I notice how it is completely ignored by Miles,Lyle and Brockton though. I really think that it is more anti European rather than anti EU feelings from all three. As a European it's incredibly condescending and very typical of a growing trend across the pond.

Well this may come as a bit of a shock, but I do have a life outside the forum such that it is. I've read X's post and it's nice enough, but he doesn't understand about Macron to the point where he admits that he doesn't know enough to form a view on the man. I know about Le Pen's party, I have certainly (considering who I voted for, for President of the United States) noticed how quick people are to scream "NAZI!" at someone else who has anything to do with the right wing. Now the "NAZI!" accusation of Le Pen is a bit more understandable as she and her party are more literal National Socialist in nature......that being the case and what France is going through right now in terms of a flood of Muslim immigrants AND the terrorist attacks happening seemingly once a week, some of what Le Pen said, some of her stances made sense if only for self preservation of the French people and it's a difference made more stark when one understands that Macron has said for the most part that 'terrorist attacks is something we'll have to get used to as a part of everyday life'.


I like how Beanz notices a good post, bigs it up as though it earns him a point.....no, it just shows everyone that X too knows how to post in a manner which stirs debate and you'll also notice the complete lack of personal attacks from X because X is a solid dude and though we may not agree on some things we can agree to disagree OR have a debate and hash things out that way and when I ask you to debate Beanz I'm only asking that you be more like X in that respect. That's all.