Some cultures are better than others ? True, False, Impossible to answer conclusively

[Beanz]

That is just you twisting things using your own incredibly negative and frankly mentally ill world view. I'm an optimist and realist. I am not like you and Lyle, ranking cultures and declaring some as better than others, so please stop with the lies and engage with debate. If not please don't post in this thread. Lyles polemic and your constant insistence on doing a 180 on all the issues you previously would have agreed, just to further divisions here on the board, is not helpful.You are living in a country run by a Christian that you are now pretending is running with milk and honey when your own words said quite the opposite not long ago.

Some cultures ARE better than others, did ya not watch those videos? Did you NOT see women being beaten with sticks/canes? SPOILER ALERT that doesn't happen in the United States, it doesn't happen in the United Kingdom, it doesn't happen in Mexico, it doesn't happen in Canada, it doesn't happen in Sweden or Finland, or Russia or Denmark or France or Belgium or Italy or Switzerland or Austria or Japan or Australia.....it happens in Sudan and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia and YES those cultures are worse than the previously mentioned ones if only for THAT.

Nobody is saying America is perfect....nobody is saying "it's run by a Christian and that makes it perfect"....nobody Beanz, NOBODY is making those arguments.

Those lashings, floggings, whatever you want to call them...that's government, that's religion, that's culture and I disagree with those beatings, I find them vile and beneath thinking, feeling, rational human beings, that is why I rate those cultures lower. I do not understand how you see that and you see America and you think the cultures are equal or you cannot tell the difference if one is better than the other....list pros and cons for fucks sakes, it's a fucking simple thing and you're fighting the very idea, why? I know you could say something like 'Well there is good and bad in every culture, but every culture we can learn something from'....yeah, agreed, BUT I'm saying specifically that shit, the beatings, the floggings, the tossing gays off of rooftops, that's wrong it's wrong that their cultures do that and that's across the board for me....a little tiny bit of humanism, a little bit of that in every culture and then we can agree that you can't tell if one culture is better than another.

Why would you think that I would agree with such things?


Seriously Lyle. How many years have I posted here and yet that is how little you think of me? In the UK election thread you went on about me teaching little ones when I used to support disabled adults etc so it's like being in a room talking to someone and realising they have not listened to a word you have said.


Only we have been in that room for years.

So many posters have left and yet we are still here, so why waste time being so belligerent ?

I am just as much to blame. I think that @brocktonblockbuster was right when he called me a contrarian. I am quite proud to be so, but that does not mean for me that I am jumping form one side to another. I just try and be a realist, and that means that i am very wary of easy answers. I try to look at an argument from all sides and not just accept what people say without questioning the narrative and their motivations and influences that will shape the way they tell it.


So while I have always been highly critical of extremist muslims and started numerous "no more excuses" type threads to rant at those on the left trying to make excuses for them, that seems to have been completely ignored by you in an attempt to pigeon hole me into a convenient apologist opponent which is why you could not wait to call me a communist.


It is quite a laughable situation to be called both a little Englander and a SWJ on the same forum but the truth is of course that neither are very accurate. I am as a self employed person at the sharp end of Capitalism but as a carer for a disabled partner also at the soft end of Social responsibility, so i can see both sides of many arguments. Being the grandson of a Romany/Irish Gypsy and A Polish Jew also means that I try not to just use logic and the written word as an arbiter of life when experience may have taught me something different.


That is why I can not agree to use extreme examples of barbarism carried out in the name of religion as evidence of one culture being superior to another. You will note that Hitchens never excused the bastards that carried out these acts by allowing them the easy excuse of using their religion which mostly does not condone their actions. I will not provide the scum that do this such a veneer to hide behind either.


Yes their are elements of cultures when seen through our eyes that are truly reprehensible and are clearly inferior to elements within our own but that is not your argument.

Your argument is that some cultures are inherently superior to others.

The fact that I, along with 5 other people, would suggest that is not something that is possible to answer conclusively, should not leave you with the impression that I in any way condone or excuse these acts. Some on your side of the argument have actually started threads to excuse them and yet your ire is reserved for me?


Life is too short and I apologise if I have offended you

[El Kabong]

To appease you and ONLY to appease you Beanz....I'll not respond anymore to your posts. You may post, you may @ mention me, you may do anything you wish on this forum, I will not respond or retaliate.


Enjoy

That is that. You have proven to me you do not want debate, fine, post away I'm not reacting, not retaliating, not responding. You post as freely as you like, I'm not stopping you or hindering you. Post anything and everything you like.



I'm fucking tired of the back and forth with you, fucking sick of it dig? You have complained about my posting, well now it won't involve you at all, it's done-zo.

[Dark Lord Al]

islam the backward religion of peasants.

[brocktonblockbust]

islam the backward religion of peasants.

it is 2017, they need to learn we arent in the Stone Age

[Dark Lord Al]

islam the backward religion of peasants.

it is 2017, they need to learn we arent in the Stone Age

Vermin Faulty

[El Kabong]

Chelsey Wright anyone?? Anyone

[brocktonblockbust]

#Bleach-beanz
Clorox
#Beanz-bit
Janner-ox

[El Kabong]

In 2015 450 out of 452 suicide bombings were carried out by.......

A) Western humanists
B ) Nazis Neo- or otherwise
C) Western Chauvanists
D) Christians
E) Militant Islamists


Anyone care to answer #someculturesarebetterthanothers

@brocktonblockbust

[El Kabong]

Teenage girl fights for life after her father and brother shot her in the face in attempted honour killing because she loved a man in her village

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4griGr6f1


Because this happens literally EVERYWHERE........






















.....where there's Muslims

[walrus]

Let's see, grass huts for 4,000 years or skyscrapers, yup, better civilizations exits.

[X]

Teenage girl fights for life after her father and brother shot her in

I don't know, it's not all bad.

​Ive often thought about shooting all over teenage girls' faces.

[El Kabong]

1 week ago, Indonesian court sentenced Christian governor of Jakarta 2 yrs in prison for blasphemy....Indonesia being the most populous Muslim nation there is.



A Sikh response to the Rotherham Scandals



Bravo my man, very well said!




So the refutation of my claim that some cultures are better than others? Anyone?

[walrus]

1 week ago, Indonesian court sentenced Christian governor of Jakarta 2 yrs in prison for blasphemy....Indonesia being the most populous Muslim nation there is.



A Sikh response to the Rotherham Scandals



Bravo my man, very well said!




So the refutation of my claim that some cultures are better than others? Anyone?

According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.

[El Kabong]

According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.

Well we can't go trusting The Economist on things now can we? We have to accept and appease the members of Islam who.....hey man, they're just trying to get along, they're just doing what's right for them, I mean who are WE to judge? I'm not Beanz, I can't make those calls, you're not Beanz you can't make those calls.....there's no issue in Islam, it's the exact same culture as we have. I mean when my wife goes out of the house to go shopping without my permission and without a family male escort detail I beat her with a cane just like anyone else right? That's acceptable and understood to be a good and positive thing culturally right? Right?

[Beanz]

According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.

Well we can't go trusting The Economist on things now can we? We have to accept and appease the members of Islam who.....hey man, they're just trying to get along, they're just doing what's right for them, I mean who are WE to judge? I'm not Beanz, I can't make those calls, you're not Beanz you can't make those calls.....there's no issue in Islam, it's the exact same culture as we have. I mean when my wife goes out of the house to go shopping without my permission and without a family male escort detail I beat her with a cane just like anyone else right? That's acceptable and understood to be a good and positive thing culturally right? Right?

To be honest Lyle you are just being a cunt now. Your Idol Donald Trump has just practically got on his knees to suck up to a regime in Saudi Arabia that is behind much of the horror committed in the name of Wahhabisim in the west and legalised in that country, and yet, as per usual, you are silent, because for you this has nothing to do with people's rights, or protecting the innocent. It's all one big game, where you can stride about with your pompous arrogance, telling everybody not just what you think, but what other posters think too. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere have I ever said that people should not judge the actions of those who use religion, or culture, as an excuse to abuse, silence and kill people.

You are inventing straw man arguments because the world refuses to submit to your narrow and very child like simplistic view of it. You are so obsessed with the issues in Islam that it seems to matter not one jot that I pointed them and the problems with multiculturalism out literally years ago on this very forum. You bring up Rotheram because for you it is some kind of ace card to win a hand with. You are just as bad as the PC brigade (which to be honest both you and Brock are the worst examples of) and don't mention the fact that these were evil MEN, you refuse to mention the fact that alcohol, drugs , rape and abuse are all forbidden by their CULTURE. You fail to mention the fact that this all happened in a western country that failed to apply existing laws to protect young poor vulnerable girls and that vicitms of all colours and backgrounds continue to be at risk because of flaws in that culture.

Nobody here is saying that people afraid of being called racist were right to not act in locking up these animals. Certainly not me. Or is that what you are accusing me of now. Really? You are willing to go that far in making bullshit up to win an argument?

What a fucking low life you are if that is the case