Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th

[Alpha]

The money may have always been there but it was Canelo bringing it in. GGG can't make money as we've seen.

So why not take a few extra paydays along the way? It's not like the other titlests were rushing to outdo him. Barr Lemieux.

Both Jacobs and now Saunders have taken longer to face GGG than Canelo. Both are career middleweights. Canelo has moved up in weight and is fighting the best guy in the division quicker than some other belt holders have dared to.

Jacobs most certainly met the challenge before Canelo and had the best fight of his career.

Jacobs may have fought GGG before Canelo but it took him 2 & a half years to do it. Alvarez is doing it within 2. Saunders is still on the sidelines. Canelo may have talked a lot of sh-t but what do you expect? Do you want him to say "I want a few easy paydays before facing GGG" he should have said "GGG only wants to fight me for the money I bring, I'm not ready yet but when I feel it's time I'll fight him". The fight is happening now only because Canelo wants it to. He could have quite easily chose to fight other guys for the next year or 2, making good money and no matter what people say about his reputation he still would have been followed and GGG still would be hanging around begging for the fight.

[TitoFan]

Obviously everyone's going to have their own opinion on this. To me, it's all about the size. People want to make it all about the money. Canelo will make big PPV bucks if he fights the guy who carries his spit bucket. Money as far as Canelo is concerned is a given.... irrelevant to this conversation. What sticks out like a bull in a china shop is the way Canelo has "hop-scotched" his way around the weights.... fighting a blown up welter in one instance... and moving up to fight a cruiserweight the next. Dancing around GGG at 160 like someone stepping gingerly around a minefield. It's not ducking. It's ducking taken to new, catastrophic levels. Canelo has been anointed since Day One, and Fishnets Oscar is even having bouts of delusion, saying stuff like "If Canelo loses it's not bad for GBP.... it's bad for boxing." Fortunately, no one really takes him seriously since he posed in women's underwear. The fact that Canelo will be facing (I'll believe it when they're getting ring instructions) GGG "quicker" than others doesn't hold water with me. First, Canelo has been physically big enough to fight GGG for a long time. Only his catchweight B.S. has given him the lousy excuse not to do it. Second, the other guys being compared to Canelo in terms of "time-to-face-Golovkin" have been fighting each other at 160. Apples and oranges. Hopefully the fight does happen and F.O. doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings. Alas, according to F.O. himself, it will be the demise of boxing as we know it.

[Alpha]

Obviously everyone's going to have their own opinion on this. To me, it's all about the size. People want to make it all about the money. Canelo will make big PPV bucks if he fights the guy who carries his spit bucket. Money as far as Canelo is concerned is a given.... irrelevant to this conversation. What sticks out like a bull in a china shop is the way Canelo has "hop-scotched" his way around the weights.... fighting a blown up welter in one instance... and moving up to fight a cruiserweight the next. Dancing around GGG at 160 like someone stepping gingerly around a minefield. It's not ducking. It's ducking taken to new, catastrophic levels. Canelo has been anointed since Day One, and Fishnets Oscar is even having bouts of delusion, saying stuff like "If Canelo loses it's not bad for GBP.... it's bad for boxing." Fortunately, no one really takes him seriously since he posed in women's underwear. The fact that Canelo will be facing (I'll believe it when they're getting ring instructions) GGG "quicker" than others doesn't hold water with me. First, Canelo has been physically big enough to fight GGG for a long time. Only his catchweight B.S. has given him the lousy excuse not to do it. Second, the other guys being compared to Canelo in terms of "time-to-face-Golovkin" have been fighting each other at 160. Apples and oranges. Hopefully the fight does happen and F.O. doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings. Alas, according to F.O. himself, it will be the demise of boxing as we know it.

Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it. Other fighters don't have to fight him. No ones holding a gun to their heads. The other middleweights have also been physically big enough to fight GGG. I only recognize Canelo as a middleweight from the Cotto fight where he picked up the lineal title. November 2015. Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time. The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

[TitoFan]

Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it.

I'll respectfully disagree with this. He can get away with it from those fans who'll give him a free pass on just about anything... but not the rest of the boxing world. The "weight hopping" isn't just randomly wanting to fight at different weights. It's been a carefully orchestrated skipping over the 160 division to avoid "you-know-who".

Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time.

I hope the first sentence isn't a veiled view that any of the other middleweights have been avoiding GGG. I'll choose to believe it wasn't. The next sentence mentions Khan, Smith, and Chavez. Ok, so in terms of pure activity, that's 3 fights versus one or two for the other guys. But "better opposition"? Really? Canelo's fight vs Khan was akin to a bull and a bullfighter if you take away the bullfighter's sword. It was only going to be a matter of time. A circus act. A blown-up WW who took leave of his senses long enough to think he could fight a man twice as big as he. Then he took leave of his senses again in the 6th round. Chavez? Junior turned out to be exactly what boxing experts said he would be.... a glorified punching bag at the end of his ride on his daddy's name. So once again I'll have to disagree on quality of opposition.

The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

Martinez is at the end of his career and visibly shot. Cotto was undersized even to fight Canelo. Why on Earth would he fight GGG? Saunders was set to fight GGG, but the hype job that is Team Canelo threw a hissy fit and that fight was scrapped.





Canelo's rise to stardom has been a meticulously put together exercise in blatant promotion. His recent conquests include:

- Alfonso Gomez of "The Contender" fame

- Over-the-hill Shane Mosley

- Tiny Josesito Lopez

- A gift decision over Erislandy Lara

- The much smaller Cotto

- The even SMALLER Khan

- Punching bag with the famous name, Junior


Somewhere in between, everyone thought he was ready to contend for world's p4p, and put him in there with Floyd.
We all know how THAT turned out

Golovkin BEFORE fighting at 165 would've been his chance to shut all of us critics up. But no... he decided to hop-skip-jump over 160 and go directly to 165 to fight Junior. Besides... there's no way he can keep starving himself pretending to be too small for middleweight. It's like the 200-pound woman who insists on wearing skinny jeans and asking how do I look.

[Alpha]

Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it.

I'll respectfully disagree with this. He can get away with it from those fans who'll give him a free pass on just about anything... but not the rest of the boxing world. The "weight hopping" isn't just randomly wanting to fight at different weights. It's been a carefully orchestrated skipping over the 160 division to avoid "you-know-who".

So he has been able to get away with it?

Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time.

I hope the first sentence isn't a veiled view that any of the other middleweights have been avoiding GGG. I'll choose to believe it wasn't. The next sentence mentions Khan, Smith, and Chavez. Ok, so in terms of pure activity, that's 3 fights versus one or two for the other guys. But "better opposition"? Really? Canelo's fight vs Khan was akin to a bull and a bullfighter if you take away the bullfighter's sword. It was only going to be a matter of time. A circus act. A blown-up WW who took leave of his senses long enough to think he could fight a man twice as big as he. Then he took leave of his senses again in the 6th round. Chavez? Junior turned out to be exactly what boxing experts said he would be.... a glorified punching bag at the end of his ride on his daddy's name. So once again I'll have to disagree on quality of opposition.

So you think Mora and Akavov amount to better opposition than Khan, Smith and Chavez?

The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

Martinez is at the end of his career and visibly shot. Cotto was undersized even to fight Canelo. Why on Earth would he fight GGG? Saunders was set to fight GGG, but the hype job that is Team Canelo threw a hissy fit and that fight was scrapped.

So your happy to give Martinez and Cotto passes?

Canelo's rise to stardom has been a meticulously put together exercise in blatant promotion. His recent conquests include:

- Alfonso Gomez of "The Contender" fame

- Over-the-hill Shane Mosley

- Tiny Josesito Lopez

- A gift decision over Erislandy Lara

- The much smaller Cotto

- The even SMALLER Khan

- Punching bag with the famous name, Junior


Somewhere in between, everyone thought he was ready to contend for world's p4p, and put him in there with Floyd.
We all know how THAT turned out

Golovkin BEFORE fighting at 165 would've been his chance to shut all of us critics up. But no... he decided to hop-skip-jump over 160 and go directly to 165 to fight Junior. Besides... there's no way he can keep starving himself pretending to be too small for middleweight. It's like the 200-pound woman who insists on wearing skinny jeans and asking how do I look.

All that and GGG is still dying to fight him. Why would he bother fighting such a fraud? If he really wanted to enhance his legacy he would be re-matching Jacobs or taking the Saunders fight to unify all the belts. Again no one held a gun to GGG's head and forced him to take this fight.

[Master]

GGG is fighting Canelo for the money, enhancing his own legacy and exposing that Saul is a fraud at middleweight.

[Primo Carnera]

GGG is fighting Canelo for the money, enhancing his own legacy and exposing that Saul is a fraud at middleweight.

Agree that he's fighting him for the Money obviously. But if Canelo is a fraud at MW, then how does it enhance his legacy? and why is Canelo a fraud at MW? we don't know that yet, can't really call him a fraud .

[Kirkland Laing]

Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it.

I'll respectfully disagree with this. He can get away with it from those fans who'll give him a free pass on just about anything... but not the rest of the boxing world. The "weight hopping" isn't just randomly wanting to fight at different weights. It's been a carefully orchestrated skipping over the 160 division to avoid "you-know-who".

So he has been able to get away with it?

Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time.

I hope the first sentence isn't a veiled view that any of the other middleweights have been avoiding GGG. I'll choose to believe it wasn't. The next sentence mentions Khan, Smith, and Chavez. Ok, so in terms of pure activity, that's 3 fights versus one or two for the other guys. But "better opposition"? Really? Canelo's fight vs Khan was akin to a bull and a bullfighter if you take away the bullfighter's sword. It was only going to be a matter of time. A circus act. A blown-up WW who took leave of his senses long enough to think he could fight a man twice as big as he. Then he took leave of his senses again in the 6th round. Chavez? Junior turned out to be exactly what boxing experts said he would be.... a glorified punching bag at the end of his ride on his daddy's name. So once again I'll have to disagree on quality of opposition.

So you think Mora and Akavov amount to better opposition than Khan, Smith and Chavez?

The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

Martinez is at the end of his career and visibly shot. Cotto was undersized even to fight Canelo. Why on Earth would he fight GGG? Saunders was set to fight GGG, but the hype job that is Team Canelo threw a hissy fit and that fight was scrapped.

So your happy to give Martinez and Cotto passes?

Canelo's rise to stardom has been a meticulously put together exercise in blatant promotion. His recent conquests include:

- Alfonso Gomez of "The Contender" fame

- Over-the-hill Shane Mosley

- Tiny Josesito Lopez

- A gift decision over Erislandy Lara

- The much smaller Cotto

- The even SMALLER Khan

- Punching bag with the famous name, Junior


Somewhere in between, everyone thought he was ready to contend for world's p4p, and put him in there with Floyd.
We all know how THAT turned out

Golovkin BEFORE fighting at 165 would've been his chance to shut all of us critics up. But no... he decided to hop-skip-jump over 160 and go directly to 165 to fight Junior. Besides... there's no way he can keep starving himself pretending to be too small for middleweight. It's like the 200-pound woman who insists on wearing skinny jeans and asking how do I look.

All that and GGG is still dying to fight him. Why would he bother fighting such a fraud? If he really wanted to enhance his legacy he would be re-matching Jacobs or taking the Saunders fight to unify all the belts. Again no one held a gun to GGG's head and forced him to take this fight.

Do you really think he gives a fuck about legacy? And that's assuming the history books rank people like Jacobs and Saunders as more credible opponents than Alvarez, not something I'd put money on. Most people in the future looking back at his record are going to be aware of Alvarez but not so much the other two. But really it all just somes down to money. Golovkin is 34 and showing signs of age. He wants to make the most money he can make and that means above all fighting Alvarez.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Chavez was a lab test for Canelo to see how much over the 160 weight limit he could/ should balloon to after the weigh in and have all his faculties intact to fight GGG with maximum effect. After all he has never had to weigh in above 155 and then fight a true 160 pound fighter. The Chavez fight needs no more boring posts. It what's a tune-up for the GGG fight. Where as Jacob's was a tune-up fight for GGG. Only thing is GGG was the one that look like he had holes in his game fight. I had Jacobs winning or a draw at worst. GGG's last two fights show he just may be over hyped. I am beginning to like the Canelo's (also hyped) chances better. Especially with his personal weight test vs Chavez over. That's all Chavez was: a high paying weight test for GGG fight.

[Spicoli]

Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it.

I'll respectfully disagree with this. He can get away with it from those fans who'll give him a free pass on just about anything... but not the rest of the boxing world. The "weight hopping" isn't just randomly wanting to fight at different weights. It's been a carefully orchestrated skipping over the 160 division to avoid "you-know-who".

So he has been able to get away with it?

Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time.

I hope the first sentence isn't a veiled view that any of the other middleweights have been avoiding GGG. I'll choose to believe it wasn't. The next sentence mentions Khan, Smith, and Chavez. Ok, so in terms of pure activity, that's 3 fights versus one or two for the other guys. But "better opposition"? Really? Canelo's fight vs Khan was akin to a bull and a bullfighter if you take away the bullfighter's sword. It was only going to be a matter of time. A circus act. A blown-up WW who took leave of his senses long enough to think he could fight a man twice as big as he. Then he took leave of his senses again in the 6th round. Chavez? Junior turned out to be exactly what boxing experts said he would be.... a glorified punching bag at the end of his ride on his daddy's name. So once again I'll have to disagree on quality of opposition.

So you think Mora and Akavov amount to better opposition than Khan, Smith and Chavez?

The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

Martinez is at the end of his career and visibly shot. Cotto was undersized even to fight Canelo. Why on Earth would he fight GGG? Saunders was set to fight GGG, but the hype job that is Team Canelo threw a hissy fit and that fight was scrapped.

So your happy to give Martinez and Cotto passes?

Canelo's rise to stardom has been a meticulously put together exercise in blatant promotion. His recent conquests include:

- Alfonso Gomez of "The Contender" fame

- Over-the-hill Shane Mosley

- Tiny Josesito Lopez

- A gift decision over Erislandy Lara

- The much smaller Cotto

- The even SMALLER Khan

- Punching bag with the famous name, Junior


Somewhere in between, everyone thought he was ready to contend for world's p4p, and put him in there with Floyd.
We all know how THAT turned out

Golovkin BEFORE fighting at 165 would've been his chance to shut all of us critics up. But no... he decided to hop-skip-jump over 160 and go directly to 165 to fight Junior. Besides... there's no way he can keep starving himself pretending to be too small for middleweight. It's like the 200-pound woman who insists on wearing skinny jeans and asking how do I look.

All that and GGG is still dying to fight him. Why would he bother fighting such a fraud? If he really wanted to enhance his legacy he would be re-matching Jacobs or taking the Saunders fight to unify all the belts. Again no one held a gun to GGG's head and forced him to take this fight.

Now we all know promotion and network would have no part in that and have been salivating as they force feed Canelo to fans as the next middleweight coming. The simple fact is up until now Canelo refused to backup his mouth and played the long con, Golovkin is guilty of nothing but trying to clean up his house, beating a viable legitimate middleweight lt heavyweight threat and stepping up to any lost boys knocking on his door and geared in his direction. It's a me thing but to consider Canelo an accomplished middleweight by winning a watered down cw lineal title and thumping on a disinterested heavy bag last out is funny stuff.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Canelo's weight hoping has been annoying but being the star he can get away with it.

I'll respectfully disagree with this. He can get away with it from those fans who'll give him a free pass on just about anything... but not the rest of the boxing world. The "weight hopping" isn't just randomly wanting to fight at different weights. It's been a carefully orchestrated skipping over the 160 division to avoid "you-know-who".

So he has been able to get away with it?

Saunders has only fought 1 guy since winning his belt in December 2015. Jacobs beat Quillin in December 2015 and has only fought the rematch with Mora before the GGG fight. Since the Cotto fight Canelo has fought Khan, Smith and Chavez. Canelo's activity and opposition is arguably better than the other 2 in that time.

I hope the first sentence isn't a veiled view that any of the other middleweights have been avoiding GGG. I'll choose to believe it wasn't. The next sentence mentions Khan, Smith, and Chavez. Ok, so in terms of pure activity, that's 3 fights versus one or two for the other guys. But "better opposition"? Really? Canelo's fight vs Khan was akin to a bull and a bullfighter if you take away the bullfighter's sword. It was only going to be a matter of time. A circus act. A blown-up WW who took leave of his senses long enough to think he could fight a man twice as big as he. Then he took leave of his senses again in the 6th round. Chavez? Junior turned out to be exactly what boxing experts said he would be.... a glorified punching bag at the end of his ride on his daddy's name. So once again I'll have to disagree on quality of opposition.

So you think Mora and Akavov amount to better opposition than Khan, Smith and Chavez?

The thing everyone is not mentioning is that Canelo has agreed to the fight something Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Saunders haven't done.

Martinez is at the end of his career and visibly shot. Cotto was undersized even to fight Canelo. Why on Earth would he fight GGG? Saunders was set to fight GGG, but the hype job that is Team Canelo threw a hissy fit and that fight was scrapped.

So your happy to give Martinez and Cotto passes?

Canelo's rise to stardom has been a meticulously put together exercise in blatant promotion. His recent conquests include:

- Alfonso Gomez of "The Contender" fame

- Over-the-hill Shane Mosley

- Tiny Josesito Lopez

- A gift decision over Erislandy Lara

- The much smaller Cotto

- The even SMALLER Khan

- Punching bag with the famous name, Junior


Somewhere in between, everyone thought he was ready to contend for world's p4p, and put him in there with Floyd.
We all know how THAT turned out

Golovkin BEFORE fighting at 165 would've been his chance to shut all of us critics up. But no... he decided to hop-skip-jump over 160 and go directly to 165 to fight Junior. Besides... there's no way he can keep starving himself pretending to be too small for middleweight. It's like the 200-pound woman who insists on wearing skinny jeans and asking how do I look.

All that and GGG is still dying to fight him. Why would he bother fighting such a fraud? If he really wanted to enhance his legacy he would be re-matching Jacobs or taking the Saunders fight to unify all the belts. Again no one held a gun to GGG's head and forced him to take this fight.

Now we all know promotion and network would have no part in that and have been salivating as they force feed Canelo to fans as the next middleweight coming. The simple fact is up until now Canelo refused to backup his mouth and played the long con, Golovkin is guilty of nothing but trying to clean up his house, beating a viable legitimate middleweight lt heavyweight threat and stepping up to any lost boys knocking on his door and geared in his direction. It's a me thing but to consider Canelo an accomplished middleweight by winning a watered down cw lineal title and thumping on a disinterested heavy bag last out is funny stuff.

Funny I hope that's the same stance you have for Manny Pacquiao with his career path as it is identical to Canelo's. Only he weight drained his opponents, insured they were light hitting, overaged former champions, unathletic immobile and straightforward plodding, fighters. Pacquiao never fought are young powerful athletic fighter in his prime. With the exception of JMM and we know some of those decisions were controversial. Playing devil's advocate what the hell had GGG accomplished besides pay-per-view failures.