UK general election

[Gandalf]

Chomsky would vote for Corbyn. As would the linguist Noam Chomsky.

[Master]

Well, now that Labour's election manifesto has been leaked and we can see that Corbyn TrouserPress really does want to take us back to the 1970's..... looks like Diane Abbott's wage figures were right after all

I know, it is shocking. You might have to pay a bit more tax. Boo hoo hoo.

That is why he writes he blue.

[Gandalf]

Thanks Master! I had better delete my traditional 'Blair is a c....' post now that we have gone public. Though he is of course still a c.....

[X]

Well, now that Labour's election manifesto has been leaked and we can see that Corbyn TrouserPress really does want to take us back to the 1970's..... looks like Diane Abbott's wage figures were right after all

I know, it is shocking. You might have to pay a bit more tax. Boo hoo hoo.

Yes, it's outrageous! I already pay too much tax and would readily join some dodgy offshore scheme if I knew I would get away with it.

Having worked for years as a main contractor to government, I know how inefficient and useless they are at running things, hence my general cynicism and opposition to nationalisation. The majority of any additional tax I give would be wasted..... such as in pumping more money into the public sector.

I haven't got kids, so I don't give a fuck about education or whatever any political party wants to spend on it.

I couldn't care less, generally, about people I don't know and am not really overflowing with the milk of human kindness so I don't want my taxes being spent on people who sit at home watching shit daytime TV and breeding uncontrollably rather than going to work.

Some trade unions want companies to be run for the benefit of the trade union, rather than its customers, so wouldn't want to see mandatory recognition.

I readily admit that my voting intentions are driven by my own self interest, don't see anything wrong with that

Incidentally, how much tax do you pay in Korea, and how much of it goes back to UK citizens? You're hardly one to lecture me about it?

[Master]

Thanks Master! I had better delete my traditional 'Blair is a c....' post now that we have gone public. Though he is of course still a c.....

So is X from his last post.

[Gandalf]

Spoken like a true Tory, X!

I file my taxes and last year didn't pay any having got everything refunded. I think I made a little bit extra than I paid in income tax, but of course you pay hidden taxes on everything so I probably lost overall.

It has been levelled at me in the past that I am a bit Tory and in some ways that is true as I am very self reliant and do actively try to protect myself in a pretty conservative society. However, if I don't do that I can get into very serious trouble. I work on temporary contracts that can change on a whim and my health is a bit dicey, so you have to think ahead. I am very aware of just how uncertain the future is, but I also know that we can aspire to give people more than temporary contracts and permanent anxiety. It would be good if more people did think ahead and organise themselves, so in some ways we are not completely dissimilar, X. I don't have children and part of that is a protest against my upbringing and also a protest against how the world is run. I have been quite vocal about it. I don't think I have an automatic right to have children. I would like people to have less children. A lot of people are wasteful and don't realise the value of things because they have never had to think about it. When things get handed on a plate from Daddy or even the government it isn't always appreciated. Take students who often go to university as a social experiment rather than a serious attempt to study. I know I was like that and only got serious about it when I was having to cough up several grand to study years later. Take the teenage mother issue which doesn't really happen out here. You do need to think carefully about how resources are allocated and not reward people who are taking the mickey. I totally get that. However we shouldn't all be seen as objects to be extracted from either. The rich pay proportionally less tax, let's make it more proportional.

I am not against paying more tax, but I am also not particularly rich. I do not earn 85,000 pounds a year, much less than that. All Corbyn is saying is that corporations and the rich should pay more as their burden has declined, so why not increase their share? I am fine with paying more taxes if it means schools are run well, hospitals are staffed and equipped, pensioners are guaranteed a standard of care etc. I can plan my future as much as I like, but we are all one car accident away from serious hardship. Well maybe not you, but most are!

[Beanz]

Well, now that Labour's election manifesto has been leaked and we can see that Corbyn TrouserPress really does want to take us back to the 1970's..... looks like Diane Abbott's wage figures were right after all

Brilliant answer for you here from Mark Steel

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7730941.html



"Everyone agrees Labour’s leaked manifesto will take us back to the 1970s, which is why we must re-elect the Conservatives so they can embrace the future, with policies such as bringing back fox hunting.Nothing says you’re grasping the digital age and leaving the past behind as much as dressing in a red tunic and galloping over a fence with beagles so you can catch a fox and celebrate its liver being ripped out by smearing its blood on your child’s cheek. That’s the sort of futuristic vision you’d get from a brainstorming session at Apple.
Hopefully the Conservative manifesto will delight us with other super-modern concepts, such as replacing IVF with a fertility dance, and funding pensions by making men over 65 sell their wives at the market.


Everything Labour proposes involves taking us back in the same way. Several Conservatives have taken issue with Labour’s pledge to be “extremely cautious” before using the nuclear deterrent. What sort of 1970s nonsense is that? If you’re going to be extremely cautious about dissolving millions of civilians in an apocalyptic firestorm, you might as well bring back outside toilets and On the Buses.
Instead of caution, Labour should get with the times by promising to set off a nuclear warhead if a five game accumulator comes up on Bet365. This is the excitement we crave, knowing that if West Bromwich Albion don’t get an equaliser that’s the end of Helsinki.
Then they want to bring back the railways into public ownership. At the moment, when we’re stuck outside Bristol Temple Meads for three hours due to a signal failure, at least we can comfort ourselves in the knowledge the bloke who owns this service is worth £80bn.
And who wants to return to the days when you’d always get a seat on a train? In these modern times, the whole point of train travel is to contort yourself into a pose you can only manage if you’ve studied pilates, on the floor outside the out of order toilet. But Labour don’t care about giving us incentives to be supple, the medieval idiots.
The Royal Mail would be taken back into public ownership as well, which is another extreme measure that goes back to the 1970s, when a state-owned mail service was supported only by deranged left-wingers such as Maoists and Margaret Thatcher and her anarchist mates.
Another leaked part of the Labour manifesto insists they will “refuse to make false promises on immigration”. But if we’re to compete in a modern global economy it’s essential we make false promises on immigration. As technology advances, it’s vital for a political party to pledge: “We’re going to reduce immigration by 97 per cent, by only allowing people in if they’re two inches tall, because this country is simply full up.”


Labour should make promises such as: “We will restrict immigration but if this results in a shortage of doctors in the health service, we’ll train badgers to carry out minor operations such as removing gallstones so patients have nothing to worry about”. Because this is the way politics is done now, and Labour should move with the times.
Many commentators find it hard to stop themselves laughing at Labour’s ridiculous proposals, in which they try to win the support of voters by announcing policies that would make those voters better off.
Luckily the Conservatives explain how making you better off makes you worse off, so people don’t get fooled. For example, if tuition fees are scrapped as Labour propose, with education funded by taxation like it was back in the 1970s when Rolf Harris and Dave Lee Travis were allowed on TV, there will be more money available for students and their families, which they’ll almost certainly spend on crack.


Another piece of 1970s extreme communism is the proposal to reserve 4,000 homes across Britain for the homeless. Only a Marxist from the 1970s would wish to exercise state control like that, taking a small businessman, who’s created wealth by placing a polystyrene cup next to his blanket and the chicken nuggets he’s taken from a bin, and forcing him against his will to give up his dream and be warm. Even the Revolutionary League of Extremely Communist Communists wouldn’t go that far.
Thankfully it appears only four or five people are going to vote for these archaic policies, so we’ll give more power to the forward-thinking Theresa May. She was modern enough to answer a question about whether she was ashamed at the number of nurses who rely on food banks, by saying, “There are many complex reasons why people go to food banks.”
She didn’t go on to say what they might be, but she’s right. Some people love food banks for a romantic evening, as the service is marvellous, and you can gaze into each other’s eyes as you share a banana while listening to the soothing sounds of children crying through lack of calcium. Some people have a phobia of being more than 30 yards from a spaghetti hoop, and others queue up every week because there’s a recipe that requires a specific breed of peppered venison and they’ve looked absolutely everywhere without luck so it’s worth seeing if there’s any at the food bank.
A report came out yesterday from paediatricians saying low income is “making children ill”, in numbers that haven’t been seen for many years. But at least the Conservatives aren’t taking us back to the 1970s, because back then we were supposed to care about that sort of stuff.
Now is the time to look ahead, be modern and venture forward by hearing about things like that, and not giving a crap.

[El Kabong]

Chomsky would vote for Corbyn. As would the linguist Noam Chomsky.

Chomsky also called the Republicans the "most dangerous political party ever in the world".......just to put his Corbyn endorsement in context.


More dangerous than the Soviets, Chinese Communists, Nazis, ISIS et al

[brocktonblockbust]

youd think some British, who have had a country for more than a thousand years longer than Americans have had, would not be so simplistically naive.

[brocktonblockbust]

YOUR country has caused FAR MORE DAMAGE worldwide than ours. @FACT

[brocktonblockbust]

@Gandalf YOU PEOPLE fucked over Egypt, Saudia Arabia, India, China, British Guyana, the list goes on and on forever.

[Gandalf]

YOUR country has caused FAR MORE DAMAGE worldwide than ours. @FACT

You still have nothing to add to the UK general election thread? Though thank you for privately admitting that Corbyn is a very good man. That should of course be added to this thread.

[brocktonblockbust]

YOUR country has caused FAR MORE DAMAGE worldwide than ours. @FACT

You still have nothing to add to the UK general election thread? Though thank you for privately admitting that Corbyn is a very good man. That should of course be added to this thread.

you Brits think you can shame people into things. I have no shame. I CERTAINLY DO THINK CORBYN IS A DECENT MAN AND CARES ABOUT PEOPLE AND CARES ABOUT HIS COUNTRY. Did you think I would be ashamed to say it on this forum? There I said it. Also, keep criticizing (wrongly) that I or others are not "contributing" ( ooooh! ooooh! "contributing"!!! oooooh!) --- I see your post about 4 posts up here talking smack about 81 govts doing regime change or some such etc GOP being the most dangerous etc. - TELL ME HOW IN FUCK IS THAT CONTRIBUTING TO "UK ELECTION" THREAD? SO YOU CAN DO IT BUT OTHERS CANNOT?

HUMPH!!! British never change, even when they move 10,000 MILES (get it?) away and eat kimchi. YOu are not the first Brit to announce to the forum something I sent in private. amazing, really , is that how you 2-timers took over half the world, by making agreements and then breaking them? BRITISH EAST INDIA COMPANY RING ANY BELLS, MATE?

[Master]

Teresa May going for the working class Labour voters with her workers rights is impressive for the Tories. She is certainly different from Cameron and Osborne with her Conservative ideals.

[brocktonblockbust]

Teresa May going for the working class Labour voters with her workers rights is impressive for the Tories. She is certainly different from Cameron and Osborne with her Conservative ideals.

Exactly. People are so quick to write her off. She is a Cracker Jack. She is on the money she is on the ball she knows her stuff period Gandalf is all into the trouser press crap