Some cultures are better than others ? True, False, Impossible to answer conclusively

[walrus]

1 week ago, Indonesian court sentenced Christian governor of Jakarta 2 yrs in prison for blasphemy....Indonesia being the most populous Muslim nation there is.



A Sikh response to the Rotherham Scandals



Bravo my man, very well said!




So the refutation of my claim that some cultures are better than others? Anyone?

According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.

[El Kabong]

According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.

Well we can't go trusting The Economist on things now can we? We have to accept and appease the members of Islam who.....hey man, they're just trying to get along, they're just doing what's right for them, I mean who are WE to judge? I'm not Beanz, I can't make those calls, you're not Beanz you can't make those calls.....there's no issue in Islam, it's the exact same culture as we have. I mean when my wife goes out of the house to go shopping without my permission and without a family male escort detail I beat her with a cane just like anyone else right? That's acceptable and understood to be a good and positive thing culturally right? Right?

[Beanz]

According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.

Well we can't go trusting The Economist on things now can we? We have to accept and appease the members of Islam who.....hey man, they're just trying to get along, they're just doing what's right for them, I mean who are WE to judge? I'm not Beanz, I can't make those calls, you're not Beanz you can't make those calls.....there's no issue in Islam, it's the exact same culture as we have. I mean when my wife goes out of the house to go shopping without my permission and without a family male escort detail I beat her with a cane just like anyone else right? That's acceptable and understood to be a good and positive thing culturally right? Right?

To be honest Lyle you are just being a cunt now. Your Idol Donald Trump has just practically got on his knees to suck up to a regime in Saudi Arabia that is behind much of the horror committed in the name of Wahhabisim in the west and legalised in that country, and yet, as per usual, you are silent, because for you this has nothing to do with people's rights, or protecting the innocent. It's all one big game, where you can stride about with your pompous arrogance, telling everybody not just what you think, but what other posters think too. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere have I ever said that people should not judge the actions of those who use religion, or culture, as an excuse to abuse, silence and kill people.

You are inventing straw man arguments because the world refuses to submit to your narrow and very child like simplistic view of it. You are so obsessed with the issues in Islam that it seems to matter not one jot that I pointed them and the problems with multiculturalism out literally years ago on this very forum. You bring up Rotheram because for you it is some kind of ace card to win a hand with. You are just as bad as the PC brigade (which to be honest both you and Brock are the worst examples of) and don't mention the fact that these were evil MEN, you refuse to mention the fact that alcohol, drugs , rape and abuse are all forbidden by their CULTURE. You fail to mention the fact that this all happened in a western country that failed to apply existing laws to protect young poor vulnerable girls and that vicitms of all colours and backgrounds continue to be at risk because of flaws in that culture.

Nobody here is saying that people afraid of being called racist were right to not act in locking up these animals. Certainly not me. Or is that what you are accusing me of now. Really? You are willing to go that far in making bullshit up to win an argument?

What a fucking low life you are if that is the case

[El Kabong]

To be honest Lyle you are just being a cunt now. Your Idol Donald Trump has just practically got on his knees to suck up to a regime in Saudi Arabia that is behind much of the horror committed in the name of Wahhabisim in the west and legalised in that country, and yet, as per usual, you are silent, because for you this has nothing to do with people's rights, or protecting the innocent. It's all one big game, where you can stride about with your pompous arrogance, telling everybody not just what you think, but what other posters think too. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere have I ever said that people should not judge the actions of those who use religion, or culture, as an excuse to abuse, silence and kill people.

You are inventing straw man arguments because the world refuses to submit to your narrow and very child like simplistic view of it. You are so obsessed with the issues in Islam that it seems to matter not one jot that I pointed them and the problems with multiculturalism out literally years ago on this very forum. You bring up Rotheram because for you it is some kind of ace card to win a hand with. You are just as bad as the PC brigade (which to be honest both you and Brock are the worst examples of) and don't mention the fact that these were evil MEN, you refuse to mention the fact that alcohol, drugs , rape and abuse are all forbidden by their CULTURE. You fail to mention the fact that this all happened in a western country that failed to apply existing laws to protect young poor vulnerable girls and that vicitms of all colours and backgrounds continue to be at risk because of flaws in that culture.

Nobody here is saying that people afraid of being called racist were right to not act in locking up these animals. Certainly not me. Or is that what you are accusing me of now. Really? You are willing to go that far in making bullshit up to win an argument?

What a fucking low life you are if that is the case

I've invented nothing the question is "Are some cultures better than others?" you have chosen "Impossible to answer"....I keep providing examples of abhorrent, albeit socially acceptable behaviors which are found in various cultures in order to help you figure it out for yourself. You don't say "Oh, that's horrible, that IS a bad part of that culture" nah you wouldn't do that, you attack me, you call me a bigot and say I've invented a strawman....no sir, I am providing evidence for my belief that while no culture is perfect SOME cultures are indeed better than others.


Not for nothing, you talk shit about the Saudis and do you denounce their culture? NOT ONCE, not one fucking time! Oh it's behind Wahhabism and extremism but ooooh how can we ever tell if those cultures are worse than western culture....go fuck yourself, you can't fucking tell the difference, how fucking dense are you?

[TitoFan]

The Battle of the Cultures rages on.

I myself voted "impossible to answer conclusively" and if I had to vote again, I'd vote the same thing. Simply put, I think the atrocities we see on TV and splashed across the headlines are abhorrent behaviors, even to those from the same culture. What we get fed through the eyeballs are the extremists who take advantage of situations to further their "cause." The question was a tough one to answer, admittedly. It's easy enough to press the TRUE button, given what we see every day.

Most of the argument points have to do with culture's treatment of women. It's true that in most Western cultures we are more advanced in the treatment of women as equals. But it seems we've all come from the same place. Women in "civilized" cultures were at one time seen as 2nd-class citizens, denied basic rights under the law. In Islamic countries, women's rights haven't changed all that much. But I can't believe the true nature of a people, no matter where they live, applauds the abuse, torture, or humiliation of women. Again... we're not talking opportunistic extremists. We're talking the core of the culture itself.

I think the word "better" is the incendiary word here. Maybe it would be more fair to say "advanced." "Better" just sounds too judgmental, and none of us has really lived in all these different cultures enough time to make sound judgments.

Supposedly modern, advanced cultures may be gaining ground on women's rights... but many of them ironically have a long way to go in other areas, such as race. It seems sad to me that it still takes government regulations and interventions, most of them inadequate and ill-aimed, to force people to view everyone else as equals.

Basically it boils down to the old "glass walls" adage. Not good at sayings, but it's something about not throwing stones if you have glass walls in your own house.

[El Kabong]

"Advanced" instead of "Better"

"Here in the West, we're Advanced....we don't beat our women for deciding to wear pants or throw gays off of rooftops"......I mean however it makes sense to you I think "Advanced" could seem a bit condescending like those folks in the Middle East don't have access to the internet or whatever.

"Here in the West, we're Advanced....we don't marry our first cousins" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/wo...nbreeding.html
"Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh."

.....however you look at it man, there's things that happen in other cultures we can learn from and then there's things we can LEARN from and never ever do ever.

[TitoFan]

"Advanced" instead of "Better"

"Here in the West, we're Advanced....we don't beat our women for deciding to wear pants or throw gays off of rooftops"......I mean however it makes sense to you I think "Advanced" could seem a bit condescending like those folks in the Middle East don't have access to the internet or whatever.

"Here in the West, we're Advanced....we don't marry our first cousins" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/wo...nbreeding.html
"Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh."

.....however you look at it man, there's things that happen in other cultures we can learn from and then there's things we can LEARN from and never ever do ever.

"We don't throw gays off rooftops"

Of course not. But there's plenty of documented, violent crimes against gays in the U.S.... one of the most recent being the infamous shooting at the Orlando gay bar. It's not part of the mainstream culture to violently attack gays, of course, but a lot of misguided, hateful people do. It's not part of the Saudi culture to throw gays off rooftops... but I'm sure it has happened lots of times. It goes back to my original statement.

"We don't marry our first cousins"

Again, the vast majority of Americans don't. But there's documented issues with inbreeding in states such as Kentucky. Again, you can't judge a culture because of some extremist sectors.


When all is said and done, I'd rather live in this part of the world than in the Middle East..... but that's mostly I was born and raised in the West and am used to our ways. If I'd been born and raised over there I might very well see things a little differently.