Some cultures are better than others ? True, False, Impossible to answer conclusively

[Beanz]

Lyle give it a rest. There are 22 families for whom their kids will not be coming home and you want to win an internet argument? You didn't even know the difference between Hindus and Sikhs, do you really think all seven people disagreeing with you are idiots ? You have the cheek to post a video about the Saudi Slave trade whilst saying zero, zilch, nothing about Trump being in public cahoots with that very country. Nothing about the laughable idea that he is somehow making a stand against terrorism by supporting that regime with billions of dollars?

There are billions of Musilims so of course some are backwards , regressive and horrible bastards. There is also overwhelming evidence that ISIS and their operatives are incredibly bad Muslims by any subjective judgment. Secular drug taking, alcohol drinking, extra marital sex indulging bad Muslims to the point where most Muslims would consider them secular. When not mentally deficient they are often not only not devout, but also very vocal about responding to the military occupation and constant bombing of a country they may not have even visited let alone lived in. You can therefore not extrapolate from them a judgment of Islam being an inferior culture to Christianity which is what you really want to say.

If you want to say Islam is an inferior culture to American culture then you are comparing apples to oranges.

[El Kabong]

Lyle give it a rest. There are 22 families for whom their kids will not be coming home and you want to win an internet argument? You didn't even know the difference between Hindus and Sikhs, do you really think all seven people disagreeing with you are idiots ? You have the cheek to post a video about the Saudi Slave trade whilst saying zero, zilch, nothing about Trump being in public cahoots with that very country. Nothing about the laughable idea that he is somehow making a stand against terrorism by supporting that regime with billions of dollars?

There are billions of Musilims so of course some are backwards , regressive and horrible bastards. There is also overwhelming evidence that ISIS and their operatives are incredibly bad Muslims by any subjective judgment. Secular drug taking, alcohol drinking, extra marital sex indulging bad Muslims to the point where most Muslims would consider them secular. When not mentally deficient they are often not only not devout, but also very vocal about responding to the military occupation and constant bombing of a country they may not have even visited let alone lived in. You can therefore not extrapolate from them a judgment of Islam being an inferior culture to Christianity which is what you really want to say.

If you want to say Islam is an inferior culture to American culture then you are comparing apples to oranges.

@Beanz, I expect nothing less from you....that's pathetic. Don't get a nosebleed standing on top of those coffins shining that virtue signal, you are a real piece of shit.

Hindus and Sikhs ain't really the issue here seeing how neither are chopping folks up or tossing gays off of rooftops or bombing innocent people....or could you tell? I hear that it's impossible to tell which groups are doing BAD and which groups are not doing bad.

I think 7 people disagreeing with me are delightfully ignorant of what is happening OR they don't want to get in trouble for naming the problem.


"There are billions of Musilims...." For the billionth fucking time you dumb fuck nobody, that's myself, and anyone else who cares to be included in this argument with me, has EVER....(read the words again cocksucker) has EVER said "All Muslims are _____".....it's Militant Islamists, Wahhabiists, ISIS, Al Qaeda....do you want me to parse my words even more? You seem more worried about my language than the actual terrorism, and that is kinda shitty, but your priorities are what they are.

"There is also overwhelming evidence that ISIS and their operatives are incredibly bad Muslims"...... it's not my job to judge the piety of Muslims, I honestly don't give a flying fuck how pious they are or are not. What is it that you wish to have happen here? Do you want me to say that Islam is a religion of Peace and that a teeny tiny group of people have bastardized a great religion for their own gains? Or would you rather me tell the truth which is it's NOT a small tiny group of Muslims who say/believe "Death to apostates" or "death to infidels" it's rather large numbers (according to many research polls) and it's something that the world would be better served if we woke up one day, faced it down and said "No more".......No you may not stone to death a rape victim, no you may not cut the hand off of a thief, no you may not lash women for wearing pants, no you may not throw gays off of rooftops! It is not just the victims of the bombing in Manchester and the victims of the next bombing or the next or the next, it's the entire world....you think people living in Raqqa where the Wahhabi Vice patrols/"Religious Police" go around saying "Oh, your woman is showing a bit of ankle, fix that or we'll have to cane her" enjoy that shit? I don't know, maybe they do enjoy that all I know is I didn't fucking sign up for that shit and it's not going to be accepted here in the West if I have anything to say about it......maybe you'll accept it one day or maybe you already have, I don't know, but it ain't going to be me.


If it helps, leave religion out of it....1 culture is live and let live, another culture is it's our way or the highway.....but hey what am I saying it is CLEARLY impossible to tell....I put up videos showing the atrocities committed by the "group that is totes not Muslim cuz they do drugs and all" and what's your response? "That's disgusting, MODS move this, women and children can see this, take this down".....go call teacher on me again.

[TitoFan]

Lyle, is it that difficult to admit that your opinion may be colored by the fact that you've never known any other way of life? Do you really feel that most decent Muslims living over there are looking at the U.S. and saying... "Geeez, I'd really rather live other there." Do you really think there isn't the slightest possibility whatsoever that some decent, law-abiding Muslims in that part of the world are fully aware of the differences in culture and say... "All things considered, I like our culture better." See... you're perfectly within your bounds (and in fact should be expected) to like your own culture better. It's what you're used to.

Let's look this way instead of that way. Let's imagine a perfectly decent, law-abiding Muslim looking at the news and saying stuff like:


"I can't believe the way they allow people to belong to hate organizations like the Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists.... and they can say and do whatever they like."

"I can't believe black people are treated so badly by law enforcement over there, to the point where black people find it necessary to form protest organizations and take to the streets."

"I can't believe people's rights are protected to the extreme that they can say whatever the hell they want about anything and anybody."



Now.... isn't it possible that one of those people looking in this direction, when asked the same question, might answer that their own culture is better than ours? Once again, there's extremists in every culture. They give their own culture a bad name, and makes it look bad in the eyes of people from other cultures.

[TitoFan]

Let me just add...... I will say that IMHO the extremists of the Islamic culture/religion are a billion times worse than the extremists of just about any other culture. Strapping on a bomb and blowing up dozens or even hundreds of people is beyond despicable. What makes it even worse is that the perpetrators die and cannot be subjected to the most inhumane torture possible. Hmm... I just read what I wrote, and who knows... maybe I belong in another culture.

[El Kabong]

Lyle, is it that difficult to admit that your opinion may be colored by the fact that you've never known any other way of life? Do you really feel that most decent Muslims living over there are looking at the U.S. and saying... "Geeez, I'd really rather live other there." Do you really think there isn't the slightest possibility whatsoever that some decent, law-abiding Muslims in that part of the world are fully aware of the differences in culture and say... "All things considered, I like our culture better." See... you're perfectly within your bounds (and in fact should be expected) to like your own culture better. It's what you're used to.

Let's look this way instead of that way. Let's imagine a perfectly decent, law-abiding Muslim looking at the news and saying stuff like:


"I can't believe the way they allow people to belong to hate organizations like the Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists.... and they can say and do whatever they like."

"I can't believe black people are treated so badly by law enforcement over there, to the point where black people find it necessary to form protest organizations and take to the streets."

"I can't believe people's rights are protected to the extreme that they can say whatever the hell they want about anything and anybody."



Now.... isn't it possible that one of those people looking in this direction, when asked the same question, might answer that their own culture is better than ours? Once again, there's extremists in every culture. They give their own culture a bad name, and makes it look bad in the eyes of people from other cultures.

Sure, let's go with that TitoFan I mean I have studied, I have worked in situations where the "American culture" is not the dominant culture, but sure, let's just benefit of the doubt say "Yes @TitoFan of course".

If they aren't over there saying "Geeez, I'd really rather live other there."....why is there a migration crisis coming FROM the Middle East & North African nations TO Western industrialized nations? Is it just jobs? Is it just money? Is it just getting away from war? I mean if any of those things are the cause then people would have moved long ago because things haven't changed much in the Middle East.

They may very well like their culture, that's not the point, the point is their culture is allowed and even welcomed over here ***CAVEAT*** so long as it doesn't impede on the rights of other people here.

Yes....skinheads, neo-Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists are SUCH the problem here...no, no, it's ok, I'm accepting your premise THOSE AREN'T GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE GROUPS CULTURALLY SPEAKING....but ok so they say that, what of it, what are the stats, the numbers behind those groups in violent crime? Better or worse than Militant Islamists? Nationally or globally, either or hell do BOTH....yeah I understand "It's impossible to tell"

Black people are ALWAYS murdered by the police....ALWAYS....again it's not something the average person jumps up and cheers for unlike say being an Islamic Extremist in Palestine where you'd get benefits paid to you or if you were a suicide bomber your FAMILY would be paid for your sacrifice to Allah Peace Be upon Him....do police get that? Where is Darren Wilson these days? I'm fairly certain he is not "living peacefully" in Ferguson, MO much less being given money by the federal government.

Yup, freedom of speech is so horrible and awful and EVERYONE has it, EVERYONE because we're all equal....what a horrible and racist VILE thing to say


Sure it's possible to think your culture is the best having lived in it and only in it, but that's not the crux of my argument. My argument is: although no culture is perfect, some cultures are better than others. I didn't say American culture is 100% the greatest hands down, I didn't say Islamic cultures are 100% the worst hands down, I said SOME cultures are better than OTHERS. When I look at American culture, there's good (freedoms, liberty, the ability to choose your path in life) and there's bad (I guess in this case I'd say poor care for veterans, homelessness, a booming prison population, an obsession with illegal drugs using/selling/policing) in Islamic cultures there are good things (great faith in the afterlife, a focus on family, generosity in terms of charity) and there's bad (suicide bombings, inbreeding, hatred of gays to the point where they're murdered when found out, etc).

You take the good, you take the bad.....you take them BOTH.......and there you have, The Facts of Life TitoFan, The facts of Life.

Let me just add...... I will say that IMHO the extremists of the Islamic culture/religion are a billion times worse than the extremists of just about any other culture. Strapping on a bomb and blowing up dozens or even hundreds of people is beyond despicable. What makes it even worse is that the perpetrators die and cannot be subjected to the most inhumane torture possible. Hmm... I just read what I wrote, and who knows... maybe I belong in another culture.

Hol up, hol up, hol......UP


You telling me that you are able to tell that 1 group is better than another group based on their actions?!?!?!


Whaaaaaaaaaa?



...... it's like I've read somebody else saying something like that, like some cultures are better than others or some shit.....but hell man, to ME to ME it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell

[TitoFan]

If they aren't over there saying "Geeez, I'd really rather live other there."....why is there a migration crisis coming FROM the Middle East & North African nations TO Western industrialized nations? Is it just jobs? Is it just money? Is it just getting away from war? I mean if any of those things are the cause then people would have moved long ago because things haven't changed much in the Middle East.

You make some good points, Lyle..... but this isn't one of them. You're saying it's not "just jobs", not "just money", not "getting away from war", because people would've moved long ago since "things haven't changed much in the Middle East." So is it to flee to a "better culture" then? Has THAT changed? If anything, jobs, money, and war are far more fluid things than culture in a society.... and would tend to favor my point that people of other cultures probably see their own as better.

Yes....skinheads, neo-Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists are SUCH the problem here...no, no, it's ok, I'm accepting your premise THOSE AREN'T GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE GROUPS CULTURALLY SPEAKING....but ok so they say that, what of it, what are the stats, the numbers behind those groups in violent crime? Better or worse than Militant Islamists? Nationally or globally, either or hell do BOTH....yeah I understand "It's impossible to tell"

My "premise" ISN'T that it's "SUCH a problem", Lyle. My premise is that in our culture, those groups are tolerated and given the right to exist freely. The only intervention is when a crime is committed.... sort of a "close the barn door after the horse is gone" type of approach. Don't look at it from your biased point of view, which is understandable given that you've lived all your life in this culture. Look at it the way maybe another culture would look at it. Freedom-shmeedom. These groups preach hate, divisiveness, and superiority of one group over others. They scheme, plot, and thanks to the famous 2nd Amendment (another point where other cultures might take exception).... are ever ready to take matters into their own hands.

Black people are ALWAYS murdered by the police....ALWAYS....again it's not something the average person jumps up and cheers for unlike say being an Islamic Extremist in Palestine where you'd get benefits paid to you or if you were a suicide bomber your FAMILY would be paid for your sacrifice to Allah Peace Be upon Him....do police get that? Where is Darren Wilson these days? I'm fairly certain he is not "living peacefully" in Ferguson, MO much less being given money by the federal government.

Here's where I'll surprise you and agree you've got a good point. (My willingness to see others' points of view is astounding, I know). I was taken aback by that, and looked it up (not that I don't trust you ). Yeah..... that's a major arguing point against that particular culture, since this is basically government-endorsed. All I'll say is that Palestine-Israeli hate is up there in stratospheric levels somewhere.

Let me just add...... I will say that IMHO the extremists of the Islamic culture/religion are a billion times worse than the extremists of just about any other culture. Strapping on a bomb and blowing up dozens or even hundreds of people is beyond despicable. What makes it even worse is that the perpetrators die and cannot be subjected to the most inhumane torture possible. Hmm... I just read what I wrote, and who knows... maybe I belong in another culture.

Hol up, hol up, hol......UP


You telling me that you are able to tell that 1 group is better than another group based on their actions?!?!?!


Whaaaaaaaaaa?



...... it's like I've read somebody else saying something like that, like some cultures are better than others or some shit.....but hell man, to ME to ME it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell

I see nothing wrong or contradictory about my statement. I specifically said I compare Islamic extremists to extremists in other cultures, and find the Islamic extremists a million times worse. I make that comparison based on specific actions, which get splashed across the headlines. The closest example to that in Western civilization would be McVeigh, who brought down a whole building based on his hate.

But this is different than comparing cultures themselves. Every culture has decent, upstanding citizens, who truly believe their beliefs and customs are the right way to live. I still hesitate to use the word "better" to compare cultures. The day I live in each culture for a year or so, and experience what they experience..... THEN.... maybe I'd feel qualified to use that word. Till then I'll just say "different."

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