Some cultures are better than others ? True, False, Impossible to answer conclusively

[TitoFan]

If they aren't over there saying "Geeez, I'd really rather live other there."....why is there a migration crisis coming FROM the Middle East & North African nations TO Western industrialized nations? Is it just jobs? Is it just money? Is it just getting away from war? I mean if any of those things are the cause then people would have moved long ago because things haven't changed much in the Middle East.

You make some good points, Lyle..... but this isn't one of them. You're saying it's not "just jobs", not "just money", not "getting away from war", because people would've moved long ago since "things haven't changed much in the Middle East." So is it to flee to a "better culture" then? Has THAT changed? If anything, jobs, money, and war are far more fluid things than culture in a society.... and would tend to favor my point that people of other cultures probably see their own as better.

Yes....skinheads, neo-Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists are SUCH the problem here...no, no, it's ok, I'm accepting your premise THOSE AREN'T GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE GROUPS CULTURALLY SPEAKING....but ok so they say that, what of it, what are the stats, the numbers behind those groups in violent crime? Better or worse than Militant Islamists? Nationally or globally, either or hell do BOTH....yeah I understand "It's impossible to tell"

My "premise" ISN'T that it's "SUCH a problem", Lyle. My premise is that in our culture, those groups are tolerated and given the right to exist freely. The only intervention is when a crime is committed.... sort of a "close the barn door after the horse is gone" type of approach. Don't look at it from your biased point of view, which is understandable given that you've lived all your life in this culture. Look at it the way maybe another culture would look at it. Freedom-shmeedom. These groups preach hate, divisiveness, and superiority of one group over others. They scheme, plot, and thanks to the famous 2nd Amendment (another point where other cultures might take exception).... are ever ready to take matters into their own hands.

Black people are ALWAYS murdered by the police....ALWAYS....again it's not something the average person jumps up and cheers for unlike say being an Islamic Extremist in Palestine where you'd get benefits paid to you or if you were a suicide bomber your FAMILY would be paid for your sacrifice to Allah Peace Be upon Him....do police get that? Where is Darren Wilson these days? I'm fairly certain he is not "living peacefully" in Ferguson, MO much less being given money by the federal government.

Here's where I'll surprise you and agree you've got a good point. (My willingness to see others' points of view is astounding, I know). I was taken aback by that, and looked it up (not that I don't trust you ). Yeah..... that's a major arguing point against that particular culture, since this is basically government-endorsed. All I'll say is that Palestine-Israeli hate is up there in stratospheric levels somewhere.

Let me just add...... I will say that IMHO the extremists of the Islamic culture/religion are a billion times worse than the extremists of just about any other culture. Strapping on a bomb and blowing up dozens or even hundreds of people is beyond despicable. What makes it even worse is that the perpetrators die and cannot be subjected to the most inhumane torture possible. Hmm... I just read what I wrote, and who knows... maybe I belong in another culture.

Hol up, hol up, hol......UP


You telling me that you are able to tell that 1 group is better than another group based on their actions?!?!?!


Whaaaaaaaaaa?



...... it's like I've read somebody else saying something like that, like some cultures are better than others or some shit.....but hell man, to ME to ME it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell

I see nothing wrong or contradictory about my statement. I specifically said I compare Islamic extremists to extremists in other cultures, and find the Islamic extremists a million times worse. I make that comparison based on specific actions, which get splashed across the headlines. The closest example to that in Western civilization would be McVeigh, who brought down a whole building based on his hate.

But this is different than comparing cultures themselves. Every culture has decent, upstanding citizens, who truly believe their beliefs and customs are the right way to live. I still hesitate to use the word "better" to compare cultures. The day I live in each culture for a year or so, and experience what they experience..... THEN.... maybe I'd feel qualified to use that word. Till then I'll just say "different."