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    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7752706.html"Tragic terror attacks like that in Manchester, inspiring fear and anger, often drive voters to back the incumbent. It is ironic then that one of the essential long-term solutions to the terror threat lies within the foreign policy agenda articulated by leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn. In articulating his international vision at Chatham House, Corbyn went on the front foot, laying out a comprehensive vision for Britain’s place in an insecure world. Seeking to throw off the caricature-like branding of him as an ageing hippy, Corbyn’s approach evinced the rational thinking of a seasoned observer of global politics. Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he began his long political career, and his response to terrorism inspired by events in the Middle East is no different. Corbyn has been astute enough to realise the link between Western interventions in the Middle East and the terror threat emanating from the region. This is a link which is rarely discussed except in dismissive terms due to a form of right wing political correctness. As such, his approach targets some of the root factors driving terror ideology and facilitating the conditions under which terror spreads. It is also the most cost-effective method, important given the apparent lack of funds available for other policy areas like the NHS and the elderly.Corbyn opposed the ill-fated regime changes in Iraq and Libya. He questioned the justifications when it was unpopular to do so. He was right. He warned of the repercussions. He was right. There is no longer any debate that both of these helped provide the space, motivation and chaos for extremist groups to thrive. Isis of course would not even exist if not for the Iraq War, and Al Qaeda would have less recruits. With regard to Libya, a 2016 report by the UK House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee stated that the intervention was based on “erroneous assumptions”, not on accurate intelligence."In holding these views, Corbyn is in tune with the ‘intervention-fatigue’ and anti-regime change sentiment that has grown alongside the anti-establishment wave sweeping the West. This has been harnessed by those from the far right like Le Pen and the alt right, libertarians like Rand Paul, and other maverick left-leaners like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard and Jean-Luc Mélenchon. Donald Trump himself used it as a club to beat opponents like Jeb Bush and Clinton. Corbyn even went close to joining the dots between the refugee crisis and interventions in the Middle East, something successfully exploited by Nigel Farage. Even some of the staunchest supporters of expansive anti-terror laws domestically oppose continued interventionism overseas. When addressing Chatham House, Corbyn clarified that questioning interventionism does not make him a “pacifist”, the vague but guffaw-triggering label studiously pinned on him by the mainstream media. Challenging the amnesia that pervades public debates over war, Corbyn provided a historical perspective including WWII, the Cold War, Vietnam, and the post-Cold War promise. Stating that military action, as a last resort and under international law, is sometimes necessary, he aligned with what most members of the public would consider reasonable, and what most countries officially support. The Labour Leader seems to understand that a multipronged approach is necessary to combat extremism, from military actions, to policing, to mental health services.Corbyn has also drawn attention to the double standards which undermine the West’s image around the world. His speech noted the inconsistency of Tory intervention enthusiasts given the party’s unwillingness to impose sanctions on apartheid South Africa, a cause which Corbyn himself was arrested while fighting for. He has also identified situations of mass carnage, such as Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda, where intervention could have been justified but which were ignored due to vested interests. Throughout his speech, Corbyn included anecdotes of his travel to some of the world’s worst conflict-zones, a subtle message that he’s not a social justice warrior snowflake but a man whose view is informed by seeing the real effects of war.The Labour leader has promised an ethical foreign policy committing not only to consistently applying human rights (which already receive much attention), but also to addressing massive levels of inequality which should garner more focus. Targeted and working alongside other measures, this would enhance the West’s image and further weaken the drivers that enable terror groups to garner new recruits.Corbyn has offered a sober, carefully considered approach to international security, free of the jingoism and political correctness that dominates this important policy area. Attacks at home show clearly that the status quo, spending millions on increasing security at home while spending billions on wars that spread insecurity overseas, is not working. Just like in economic policy, Corbyn’s non-interventionist approach may be lampooned by the mainstream media but is based on rational insights and values, and increasingly reflects the views of the population.
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    The Independent was strongly against Corbyn but something has changed lately. The article articulates alot of my own views. Corbyn is the perfect antidote to the poison of the blinkered and failed right.

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    Corbyn is a weakling Kumbaya piece of Jack Rabbit Shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
    Corbyn is a weakling Kumbaya piece of Jack Rabbit Shit.
    I understand that unlike your president he will refuse to back the Saudis and will stop interfering in the middle east. He will not continue to fund the huge business that is war with billions of pounds of our tax money that could make Britain great. The Tory lead has been cut to 5% so it looks like you are going to have to get used to Corbyn. Nothing weak in being consistent, standing by your principles and being willing to change the status quo.

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    Totally wrong Brock. A lesser man would have folded after two attempted coups, a full thronged assault from dishonest media, and silly sausages on the street like you. Yet he is still there and the gap is closing daily. Just maybe he is made from stronger stuff. I don't see him crying on Twitter or anywhere else about anything. He is an inspiration. We could all be a little bit more like Jeremy Corbyn.

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    Totally wrong Brock. A lesser man would have folded after two attempted coups, a full thronged assault from dishonest media, and silly sausages on the street like you. Yet he is still there and the gap is closing daily. Just maybe he is made from stronger stuff. I don't see him crying on Twitter or anywhere else about anything. He is an inspiration. We could all be a little bit more like Jeremy Corbyn.
    You have described exactly what Trump did he withstood all of the media nonsense and he withstood the pressure from both Democrats and Republicans and basically ran as an independent but simply chose to run as a republican. All the top Republicans opposed him and all the Democrats and even the green party. He had nobody on his side and he pulled out the ultimate Victory. I am not saying that Corbin cannot pull out a victory. I never said he could not pull out a victory. You're confusing two different things here. Do I think Corbin has done a great job for himself? Yes I do do I think Corbin survived in the face of the media Onslaught yes I do do I think he has done a great job in getting through and cutting the lead to only 5% yes I do. Do I think that makes him a strong man in that particular sense of not giving up in his campaign? Yes I do but what I don't think is that he will be a strong leader. Some people can be a strong candidate and that is strength in a race. But that is not strength as a leader on the world stage

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    Jesus, first that useless tossers Diane Abbott, and now her Marxist relic of a boss, are showing their cluelessness about basic economics. Neither has a grip on the costs of the promises they are making. Very poor, if you stumbled like that in your job people very quickly lose confidence in you.
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    Jesus, first that useless tossers Diane Abbott, and now her Marxist relic of a boss, are showing their cluelessness about basic economics. Neither has a grip on the costs of the promises they are making. Very poor, if you stumbled like that in your job people very quickly lose confidence in you.
    You like the party that had Osborne as Chancellor and who doubled the debt despite having no banks to bail out. The Tories had no grip on things for 7 years and now you want to mock the cost of policies that were the norm for decades.

    Corbyn is popular, old chap. Expect the gap to close further. Corbyn has single handedly made Labour electable again. There are going to be many in the media with foot firmly wedged in mouth.

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    We...?... fuck off Brockton.

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    Brock you have no clue about Labour and Corbyn stand for other than stupid websites that misinform you.

    You are an embarrassment.

    X I do not believe what you wrote it was too sarcastic.
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    Brock you have no clue about Labour and Corbyn stand for other than stupid websites that misinform you.

    You are an embarrassment.

    X I do not believe what you wrote it was too sarcastic.

    Oh, no, indefinitely think that. I have no dyed in the wool allegiance to any party. Also, it's pretty true isn't it?
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    Brock you have no clue about Labour and Corbyn stand for other than stupid websites that misinform you.

    You are an embarrassment.

    X I do not believe what you wrote it was too sarcastic.

    Oh, no, indefinitely think that. I have no dyed in the wool allegiance to any party. Also, it's pretty true isn't it?
    It is more than just going back to the 1950's. Whilst it is true the Tories really do not like the poor and only tolerate them if they work for minimum wage and zero hour contracts. They philosophically hate the public sector and want to privatise everything they can so they can give it to their friends and jump on their boards when they retire. Profiting from ill people, unemployed and prisoners is wrong. (BTW I do not believe ploughing more money in the NHS or having fat bureaucracies are a good thing which is why there should be more not-for profit making organisations should be involved.) The Tories are happy seeing more people using food banks and elderly dying because of they are too afraid to put their heating on.
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