22 dead in Manchester

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I'm gunna go on a rant tomorrow, it's not against Isis it's not against Muslims I don't know who it is against but I'm watching sommet on telly now and I'm getting fed up of it, not going to go into it now cuz I'm 10 cans deep and I can't articulate what I want to say

Watch the boxing on channel 5

your country with it's open door policy and it's Muslim apologist policy and it's paranoia of offending people allowed this guy's father to immigrate to England from Libya even though he was fighting for Al-Qaeda.... and your country's open door policy allowed him and his son to travel back and forth for training terrorist training and bomb-making training to Syria and back to Libya and then return to Great Britain to pull off this horrible attack. That is the only embarrassment here and it is caring more about not offending people then doing the right thing to protect people period and people want to talk about Muslim taxi drivers who helped out oh wow I am so blown away with that generosity wow

And that is exactly how the majority of British people feel.
What the fuck are our government doing allowing globally known jihadists who they know have recently been in Libya and Syria to freely come in and out of our country.
Lighting candles, reading poems, donating money and changing your Facebook profile pic to " I love Manchester" will do fuck all to stop the next bombing.
Its as simple as rounding them cunts up and jailing or deporting them.
If we had done those kids would still be alive.
We need a leader in the UK, someone with the balls who will protect their own citizens first and not these spineless clowns who currently do.
Id take someone like Trump or Putin over our current PM all day long.

There is a direct line between the NATO operation in Benghazi and Al Qaeda rebels in Syria. Arms and Intelligence. So while you may think that somebody like Trump would make things better the truth is he is knee deep in it with the Saudis too. When you have Imams chucking people out of mosques and Muslims reporting these people to the authorities then you have to question why nothing has been done. Unfortunately the exact supposedly strong type right wing leaders that people think would make Britain safer, are the same ones cutting the security budget, and putting not offending the House of Saud above the safety of British citizens.

However left wing, soft, naive or supposedly too empathetic people are, it is not them that people's anger should be turned on. That is the same old tired tirade that Brockton the ex-Muslim holier than thou hate preacher is suggesting people join him on, but it is nothing but a distraction. The answers to stopping these horrific things happening are nothing to do with being afraid of offending Muslims in Britain. It is all to do with being afraid of jeopardizing huge arms deals abroad.

We have no business bombing the middle east. We most certainly should not be selling arms to countries in the region or training troops like we do. Yes of course we should have a strict border policy that vets and arrests terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, but the right wing government we have, cuts security and border guard numbers and has for years. They are to blame. So sweeping have the police cuts been that now we are having to deploy the army on British streets.

The bombing in Manchester targeted young people and children so if even just one of those victims injured in hospital or the kids of Manchester are comforted by people lighting a candle or showing solidarity than that is a good thing. I know that you are not mocking that, just the faux sentimental pointless things like people changing their facebook profile pics etc and the idea that standing together and being a pacifist is enough to stop these animals. The problem I have with some of the posts in this thread, and others in response to the recent Westminster attack, are the suggestion that the British principle of solidarity and standing together in the face of adversity, something that saw us survive countless bombing from the Luftwaffe to the IRA, is somehow a sign of weakness, a capitulation. It is incredibly offensive to be lectured by people from a country that puts sensationalizing leaked evidence ahead of national security and the same people who actually repeatedly posted it here, on being soft on terrorism.

I get all that and agree that what our government has done has left us in this situation but what I'm saying is why are these known terrorists free men in our country and what do our government think these young men are doing in Syria - 2 week beach holiday with their mates at some 5 star all inclusive resort, banging hotties and drinking beer?
Why are they allowed to enter the UK direct from Terror training camps in Syria when our government has admitted they knew they were there?
Why are they not in Jail or been Deported long ago.
Why are they freely allowing them to kill innocent British citizens time after time with no change in dealing with them whatsoever?
The UK has become a laughing stock with our joke border controls and has gone from a Great country into one of the easiest targets in the World for terrorists to attack because we simply allow them to be free in our country.
If they (known ISIS Jihadists) are not in the country then they cannot kill people in that country.
It's that Simple

[Beanz]

I'm gunna go on a rant tomorrow, it's not against Isis it's not against Muslims I don't know who it is against but I'm watching sommet on telly now and I'm getting fed up of it, not going to go into it now cuz I'm 10 cans deep and I can't articulate what I want to say

Watch the boxing on channel 5

your country with it's open door policy and it's Muslim apologist policy and it's paranoia of offending people allowed this guy's father to immigrate to England from Libya even though he was fighting for Al-Qaeda.... and your country's open door policy allowed him and his son to travel back and forth for training terrorist training and bomb-making training to Syria and back to Libya and then return to Great Britain to pull off this horrible attack. That is the only embarrassment here and it is caring more about not offending people then doing the right thing to protect people period and people want to talk about Muslim taxi drivers who helped out oh wow I am so blown away with that generosity wow

And that is exactly how the majority of British people feel.
What the fuck are our government doing allowing globally known jihadists who they know have recently been in Libya and Syria to freely come in and out of our country.
Lighting candles, reading poems, donating money and changing your Facebook profile pic to " I love Manchester" will do fuck all to stop the next bombing.
Its as simple as rounding them cunts up and jailing or deporting them.
If we had done those kids would still be alive.
We need a leader in the UK, someone with the balls who will protect their own citizens first and not these spineless clowns who currently do.
Id take someone like Trump or Putin over our current PM all day long.

There is a direct line between the NATO operation in Benghazi and Al Qaeda rebels in Syria. Arms and Intelligence. So while you may think that somebody like Trump would make things better the truth is he is knee deep in it with the Saudis too. When you have Imams chucking people out of mosques and Muslims reporting these people to the authorities then you have to question why nothing has been done. Unfortunately the exact supposedly strong type right wing leaders that people think would make Britain safer, are the same ones cutting the security budget, and putting not offending the House of Saud above the safety of British citizens.

However left wing, soft, naive or supposedly too empathetic people are, it is not them that people's anger should be turned on. That is the same old tired tirade that Brockton the ex-Muslim holier than thou hate preacher is suggesting people join him on, but it is nothing but a distraction. The answers to stopping these horrific things happening are nothing to do with being afraid of offending Muslims in Britain. It is all to do with being afraid of jeopardizing huge arms deals abroad.

We have no business bombing the middle east. We most certainly should not be selling arms to countries in the region or training troops like we do. Yes of course we should have a strict border policy that vets and arrests terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, but the right wing government we have, cuts security and border guard numbers and has for years. They are to blame. So sweeping have the police cuts been that now we are having to deploy the army on British streets.

The bombing in Manchester targeted young people and children so if even just one of those victims injured in hospital or the kids of Manchester are comforted by people lighting a candle or showing solidarity than that is a good thing. I know that you are not mocking that, just the faux sentimental pointless things like people changing their facebook profile pics etc and the idea that standing together and being a pacifist is enough to stop these animals. The problem I have with some of the posts in this thread, and others in response to the recent Westminster attack, are the suggestion that the British principle of solidarity and standing together in the face of adversity, something that saw us survive countless bombing from the Luftwaffe to the IRA, is somehow a sign of weakness, a capitulation. It is incredibly offensive to be lectured by people from a country that puts sensationalizing leaked evidence ahead of national security and the same people who actually repeatedly posted it here, on being soft on terrorism.

I get all that and agree that what our government has done has left us in this situation but what I'm saying is why are these known terrorists free men in our country?
Why are they allowed to enter the UK direct from Terror training camps in Syria when our government has admitted they knew they were there?
Why are they not in Jail or been Deported long ago.
Why are they freely allowing them to kill innocent British citizens time after time with no change in dealing with them whatsoever?
The UK has become a laughing stock with our joke border controls and has gone from a Great country into one of the easiest targets in the World for terrorists to attack because we simply allow them to be free in our country.
If they are not in the country then they cannot kill people in that country.
It's that Simple

Quite why anyone on a list is allowed free movement is beyond me too. With huge cuts in prison wardens and Police etc though you have to wonder if they really are more interested in making cuts than saving lives.