Haye splits from McGuigan, still plans to win world title...

[smashup]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

[erics44]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

[Master]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Maybe Haye is not physically able to last 12 rounds and Shane saw the signs while he was training him. Shane is only trying to be truthful but Haye must be seeing the money signs.

[erics44]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Maybe Haye is not physically able to last 12 rounds and Shane saw the signs while he was training him. Shane is only trying to be truthful but Haye must be seeing the money signs.

it looks like the leg injury was there before the fight, is that not fixed now tho?

obviously you and I don't know what the extent of the injury / injuries are

[Master]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Maybe Haye is not physically able to last 12 rounds and Shane saw the signs while he was training him. Shane is only trying to be truthful but Haye must be seeing the money signs.

it looks like the leg injury was there before the fight, is that not fixed now tho?

obviously you and I don't know what the extent of the injury / injuries are

If Shane thinks Haye's body is physically shot then maybe David should listen.

[Primo Carnera]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

[Fenster]

What did Shane do for him? The only reason Haye was with him is because the gym is a nice snazzy modern one 5 minutes from Haye's old one. Trainer, that has no affiliation/history with star fighter, gets sack after defeat - all par for the course.

When Haye comes back he can claim Shane should've never threw the towel in and stuff like that to deflect away from how shot he is.

[erics44]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sack

IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up

[Master]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sack

IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up

I bet it was Haye was the one that wanted to take the chance because he thought it was only Bellew. If it was anyone decent he would not have taken the chance.

[Primo Carnera]

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sack

IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up

I'm trying to get this straight from your comments. It doesn't seem like you have a problem with the fact that he may have gone into a fight knowing he was injured.
I find this all pretty strange to be honest.
I've always liked and rated Haye, so I'm not a hater. But if a guy goes into a fight where he's earning , let's face it, way more than what the fight is worth, you at least want him to be fit surely?

[erics44]

well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

[Primo Carnera]

well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

I agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.