John David Jackson

[Ron Swanson]

https://youtu.be/gTdjsVPVg4g

24/7

[Fenster]

Bit weird having the trainer admit he would've jumped ship for the right price. However team Kov are spinning it I bet Jackson won't be with him after this Ward fight. Kov waffling about overtraining, Jackson waffling about the Russians, Duva waffling about she's never seen anything like this in 30 years. Everyone waffling that it's all hunky-dory... thinly veiled seething underneath

[Kirkland Laing]

This promotion is not selling well apparently. Ward is just not exciting to watch and especially in a fight which is going to be twelve more rounds of the bloody same with a sleepworthy Ward points victory at the end of it. Speaking of not exciting to watch, Rigondeaux is on the undercard. Ward and Rigondeaux on the same card and they wonder why they can't sell tickets.

[El Kabong]

I don't rate JDJ as a trainer, who has he taken under his wing and polished and made into a better fighter?


According to Wikipedia this is who he has trained:


Sergey Kovalev
Kimbo Slice
Allan Green (starting with his bout Anthony Bonsante)
Bernard Hopkins (for his bout with Antonio Tarver)
Shane Mosley (starting with his second bout with Winky Wright and ending after his first bout with Fernando Vargas)
Nate Campbell (The first fighter Jackson led to a world title)
Dyah Davis (Son of 1976 Olympic gold medalist Howard Davis Jr.)
Brad Solomon
Khabib Allakhverdiev
Magomed Abdusalamov
Chris Algieri
Curtis Stevens



I don't even want to get into what happened with Mago....that is very sad and I'm sure it's something that is every fighter and trainer's nightmare.



You look at those guys and I don't think they have any 1 certain thing they all do well that you can say "That's what JDJ gave him". He's not like a Freddie Roach or Manny Steward where he gives his fighters a certain distinct style and that could be a good thing, but at the same time he's not getting extra out of these guys.


If you gave Sergey Kovalev to a different trainer any different trainer what would be the result? I am interested to know if he'd be better, worse, or you couldn't tell the difference.

[Nameless]

What's the riff all about? I'Ve been dead busy working the equivalent of 2 x full times for the summer intensive classes (I swear, I'll never give 2 intensive classes at the same time ever again) and apparently that I've missed something pretty odd. ?

[J_Undisputed]

What's the riff all about? I'Ve been dead busy working the equivalent of 2 x full times for the summer intensive classes (I swear, I'll never give 2 intensive classes at the same time ever again) and apparently that I've missed something pretty odd. ?

Ok.. In a nutshell basically what happened was after the first fight around January there was contact between John David Jackson and Andre Ward's camp. Jackson said they contacted him first. Ward's Camp of course said that Jackson came to them looking to pitch his services. Afterwards in an interview, Jackson said if they gave him Fort Knox he probably would have jumped to Team warm but of course they didn't meet his price for breaking his loyalty to kovalev. Ward's Camp says that they were willing to help Jackson out by employing him because kovalev was abusive to him after the loss. Gamesmanship by team Ward? Something Shady by John David Jackson? We're all left to be the judge.

So some of us are thrown a little by the fact that there is a price on John David Jackson's loyalty in the way he worded it. Is Jackson a straight shooter? Well he admitted there was a price.... So the question for me is why go there pitching services if he was just going to say no anyway? Usually somebody that makes an offer is willing to haggle. The other question I have is that a team Ward is so sure that the second fight is going to be so much easier and that they won the first fight handily, why would you be willing to throw money away just to jeopardize the other persons camp especially considering how cheap and penny-pinching Ward and Roc Nation have been in the past. With every interview new details seemed to emerge from Ward's mouth about the situation and kovalev camp before he acts indifferent and disinterested and changes the subject.

[imp]

Can someone post the 2nd episode of 24/7?

[Nameless]

What's the riff all about? I'Ve been dead busy working the equivalent of 2 x full times for the summer intensive classes (I swear, I'll never give 2 intensive classes at the same time ever again) and apparently that I've missed something pretty odd. ?

Ok.. In a nutshell basically what happened was after the first fight around January there was contact between John David Jackson and Andre Ward's camp. Jackson said they contacted him first. Ward's Camp of course said that Jackson came to them looking to pitch his services. Afterwards in an interview, Jackson said if they gave him Fort Knox he probably would have jumped to Team warm but of course they didn't meet his price for breaking his loyalty to kovalev. Ward's Camp says that they were willing to help Jackson out by employing him because kovalev was abusive to him after the loss. Gamesmanship by team Ward? Something Shady by John David Jackson? We're all left to be the judge.

So some of us are thrown a little by the fact that there is a price on John David Jackson's loyalty in the way he worded it. Is Jackson a straight shooter? Well he admitted there was a price.... So the question for me is why go there pitching services if he was just going to say no anyway? Usually somebody that makes an offer is willing to haggle. The other question I have is that a team Ward is so sure that the second fight is going to be so much easier and that they won the first fight handily, why would you be willing to throw money away just to jeopardize the other persons camp especially considering how cheap and penny-pinching Ward and Roc Nation have been in the past. With every interview new details seemed to emerge from Ward's mouth about the situation and kovalev camp before he acts indifferent and disinterested and changes the subject.

Thanks a lot for the nutshell, now I see clear. There are many dubious things in the whole thing:

1) Jackson admitting Fort Knox could have done it throws some shadows over his loyalty ANd professionalism. If he meant that he'd jump ship for a lot of money and not that he meant that his price was way too high (aka Fort Knox) to break his loyalty.

2) Why in hell would Ward seek for him? He has had quite the hell of a ride with Hunter.

It's all very dubious, I gotta agree.

[Spicoli]

I don't rate JDJ as a trainer, who has he taken under his wing and polished and made into a better fighter?


According to Wikipedia this is who he has trained:


Sergey Kovalev
Kimbo Slice
Allan Green (starting with his bout Anthony Bonsante)
Bernard Hopkins (for his bout with Antonio Tarver)
Shane Mosley (starting with his second bout with Winky Wright and ending after his first bout with Fernando Vargas)
Nate Campbell (The first fighter Jackson led to a world title)
Dyah Davis (Son of 1976 Olympic gold medalist Howard Davis Jr.)
Brad Solomon
Khabib Allakhverdiev
Magomed Abdusalamov
Chris Algieri
Curtis Stevens



I don't even want to get into what happened with Mago....that is very sad and I'm sure it's something that is every fighter and trainer's nightmare.



You look at those guys and I don't think they have any 1 certain thing they all do well that you can say "That's what JDJ gave him". He's not like a Freddie Roach or Manny Steward where he gives his fighters a certain distinct style and that could be a good thing, but at the same time he's not getting extra out of these guys.


If you gave Sergey Kovalev to a different trainer any different trainer what would be the result? I am interested to know if he'd be better, worse, or you couldn't tell the difference.

Hanging his hat alone on what Kovalev shows today after years is ratable. Jackson is written all over Kovalev top notch jab and the subtleties he shows in footwork. Not to mention not falling in love with his power. Or snapping in a crowded hotel lobby because the elevator is slow . Seriously Kov reminds you of a guy but, moving on. He's a teaching trainer with career depth and was taught under massive wings also by both Benton and Steward. Roach has respect but they can't all find gems like a near one armed brawler named Pacquiao and ride that light from star to star. Jackson is finding his nitch and improves majority of guys he works with fight to fight. Save for Stevenson who he watched be ko'd..and we're ok with that .

[El Kabong]

Hanging his hat alone on what Kovalev shows today after years is ratable. Jackson is written all over Kovalev top notch jab and the subtleties he shows in footwork. Not to mention not falling in love with his power. Or snapping in a crowded hotel lobby because the elevator is slow . Seriously Kov reminds you of a guy but, moving on. He's a teaching trainer with career depth and was taught under massive wings also by both Benton and Steward. Roach has respect but they can't all find gems like a near one armed brawler named Pacquiao and ride that light from star to star. Jackson is finding his nitch and improves majority of guys he works with fight to fight. Save for Stevenson who he watched be ko'd..and we're ok with that .

To me the guy is no different than Buddy McGirt, I mean not a HORRIBLE trainer by any stretch, not a superstar trainer, just kind of average pro trainer.


I think Ronnie Shields could do a better job with Kov than JDJ but that's me and I rate Shields' work better but that's just me I guess