Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[Beanz]

Why can't they live in their own neighbourhood ? It's not temporary. The flats will be paid for and no longer empty.


NEVER


EVER

anything about the fact that huge swathes of London are bought up by your friends the Saudis and the Russians and land banked


Poor foreigners = fuck em


Rich Foreigners = Hooray


Never mind the fact that they don't live or spend money here


See you lot don't even really believe in controlled borders


You just hate poor people

Who is saying they can't live in their own neighborhood? Sooo the government is supposed to buy apartments regardless of their worth AND make them available for people who (pardon me if I'm mistaken) aren't the best off in terms of money? The apartments are already paid for by the folks who own them else the banks would own them and I'm sorry YOU don't get to tell people how they use their property. If I get a super awesome car and feel like taking a sledge hammer to it just for shits and giggles you can't stop me from doing that because you want that car dig?


"NEVER EVER" what? About eminent domain? That's EXACTLY what you're espousing here I mean by the damned letter man.


And I assume Londoners fucking sold those buildings to those folks....again not your property, tough luck.

Poor foreigners cost money ....Rich foreigners spend money....jobs, economy, etc


Unless the wealthy foreigners are evil and going to commit acts of terrorism then yeah they should be allowed to go where they please, same rules for the poor folks too. I'm consistent.


"You just hate poor people".....oh why don't you just call me a Kulak and send me to a gulag Comrade fucking hell.

Bullshit Lyle you have no consistency. You don't want people to be able to go where they please you want the UK to leave the EU and to tell Europeans what to do just like Brockton. It's pretty disdainful stuff and it's constant.


You don't even believe in capitalism.

So when the government decides to but up EMPTY apartments for those made homeless and many of whom have lost loved ones and ALL their earthly possessions. You still want it weighed in favour of the Russians and Saudi billionaires.


Even Miles has joined you with his RT loving, immigrant hating rhetoric.

London isn't owned by Londoners anymore and it's your lots fault


YOU are the Liberal elite

You and Miles and Brockton and all you alt right teat sucking fucking neo con dumb fucks who want the world to throw away anything meaningful in the pursuit of empty conservative mealy mouthed rhetoric and NO action.


Wankers

[El Kabong]

So dramatic....chill out

[walrus]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

[Beanz]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

Trust me. If you put 30 estate families in my building with their petty crime, smoking, weed etc, then things would turn to shit pretty quickly. Sometimes 'diversity' is the last thing you need. Let a lawyer into the building and maybe he can have a kid, but a lawyer, plus 30 other families, 10 of them not even working, the others taking local jobs. It does not work and I wouldn't want them to try it. It would make life worse for the local population and it would make my life worse too. I don't want them. Thankfully those people mostly have no way of getting in.

Estate Families? Petty crime? What a judgmental self righteous attitude.You don't even want them to work? You are exactly the same as Brockton. Typical pretentious snob who demands privilege for themselves even if it means treading on others and not offering them the same opportunities to get it. The local population? Most of them were born there unlike many in the luxury blocks next door. You are just a typical racist class traitor.

[Gandalf]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

Trust me. If you put 30 estate families in my building with their petty crime, smoking, weed etc, then things would turn to shit pretty quickly. Sometimes 'diversity' is the last thing you need. Let a lawyer into the building and maybe he can have a kid, but a lawyer, plus 30 other families, 10 of them not even working, the others taking local jobs. It does not work and I wouldn't want them to try it. It would make life worse for the local population and it would make my life worse too. I don't want them. Thankfully those people mostly have no way of getting in.

Estate Families? Petty crime? What a judgmental self righteous attitude.You don't even want them to work? You are exactly the same as Brockton. Typical pretentious snob who demands privilege for themselves even if it means treading on others and not offering them the same opportunities to get it. The local population? Most of them were born there unlike many in the luxury blocks next door. You are just a typical racist class traitor.

You know what council estates are like, Beanz. They are rough places where kids hang out on street corners smoking, where local people buy and sell drugs from dealers, where violence is not uncommon, where some refuse to do a days work, where people are selling used stolen goods, where some have ridiculous numbers of children etc. Not all people are like that, but all too many are and my point was that it would turn my area into the same and nobody wants that. I don't care about house prices, I care about quality of life. This behavior was pretty common growing up and I don't think it is good for anyone. It would be terrible for me and most of the people around me. Who wants to be surrounded by the faint whiff of violence? Or drugs? Or dangerous kids? I would love for them to work, to have less children, to be peaceful, to turn away from crime etc, but they should do it there and not come over here and do it. I am not a snob for wanting countries to control their borders and let in only law abiding people. Take the Ethiopian rapists for instance, I am not a snob for thinking they had no place in Germany.

I do not demand privilege. Anybody can come here providing they follow a few checks. It's sensible to only want people who will provide value to the country, otherwise what is it for? It was being nice to those Ethiopians to let them into Germany, but that's how they showed their gratitude. There are no go areas all over Europe now. Being nice doesn't help in the long run. It leads to serious social problems. I just think it is better to be realistic about that. On that basis, I do think it would be a disaster to let dozens of scallies move into my neighborhood. They wouldn't be able to do anything.

Does that not make sense to you? I am not right wing or extreme, I just think it is a bit of common sense.

[El Kabong]

Some people pay good money to get the fuck away from the riff raff, some people work their entire lives so that their children don't have to deal with that shit.


If council estates or projects were good places to raise families....everyone would WANT to live there.

I'm a common man. Do I enjoy some extravagances? Sure they are pleasures that I work to earn. I don't begrudge people who have a hard time finding their way in life, but their poor choices shouldn't become my burden.

[Beanz]

Some people pay good money to get the fuck away from the riff raff, some people work their entire lives so that their children don't have to deal with that shit.


If council estates or projects were good places to raise families....everyone would WANT to live there.

I'm a common man. Do I enjoy some extravagances? Sure they are pleasures that I work to earn. I don't begrudge people who have a hard time finding their way in life, but their poor choices shouldn't become my burden.

You sound just like Miles. You probably will not listen to me because you think you know it all but believe me life is not just about good and poor choices. Many people do not have the choices that others do, be that because of circumstance, disability, lack of intelligence, no decent role models, being victims of violence, mental and sexual abuse etc etc


And yet as a Christian you want to refer to them as YOUR Burden? what about there burdens? anybody can look after their own, fucking Nazis and Muslim Extremists look after their own. What about looking after people not like you? You resent that too?


We are talking about people who were housed in a building that torched and killed their relatives being rehoused in social housing that because it is attached to luxury apartments you think they should be denied the chance to move into ?


Fucking get a grip

[Beanz]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

Trust me. If you put 30 estate families in my building with their petty crime, smoking, weed etc, then things would turn to shit pretty quickly. Sometimes 'diversity' is the last thing you need. Let a lawyer into the building and maybe he can have a kid, but a lawyer, plus 30 other families, 10 of them not even working, the others taking local jobs. It does not work and I wouldn't want them to try it. It would make life worse for the local population and it would make my life worse too. I don't want them. Thankfully those people mostly have no way of getting in.

Estate Families? Petty crime? What a judgmental self righteous attitude.You don't even want them to work? You are exactly the same as Brockton. Typical pretentious snob who demands privilege for themselves even if it means treading on others and not offering them the same opportunities to get it. The local population? Most of them were born there unlike many in the luxury blocks next door. You are just a typical racist class traitor.

You know what council estates are like, Beanz. They are rough places where kids hang out on street corners smoking, where local people buy and sell drugs from dealers, where violence is not uncommon, where some refuse to do a days work, where people are selling used stolen goods, where some have ridiculous numbers of children etc. Not all people are like that, but all too many are and my point was that it would turn my area into the same and nobody wants that. I don't care about house prices, I care about quality of life. This behavior was pretty common growing up and I don't think it is good for anyone. It would be terrible for me and most of the people around me. Who wants to be surrounded by the faint whiff of violence? Or drugs? Or dangerous kids? I would love for them to work, to have less children, to be peaceful, to turn away from crime etc, but they should do it there and not come over here and do it. I am not a snob for wanting countries to control their borders and let in only law abiding people. Take the Ethiopian rapists for instance, I am not a snob for thinking they had no place in Germany.

I do not demand privilege. Anybody can come here providing they follow a few checks. It's sensible to only want people who will provide value to the country, otherwise what is it for? It was being nice to those Ethiopians to let them into Germany, but that's how they showed their gratitude. There are no go areas all over Europe now. Being nice doesn't help in the long run. It leads to serious social problems. I just think it is better to be realistic about that. On that basis, I do think it would be a disaster to let dozens of scallies move into my neighborhood. They wouldn't be able to do anything.

Does that not make sense to you? I am not right wing or extreme, I just think it is a bit of common sense.

Yes it makes absolute sense and just proves what a fucking snob you are. Riff Raff? Scallies? People on council estates are people. Not some other class of alien for whom there is no hope. Apparently you grew up in one and yet you have just used the most extreme examples to slag off the majority, the same as your argument with Muslims or Immigrants etc. It's fucking rubbish reasoning. Gutter politics and you seem to think that you are above others. Fucking champagne socialist.


They wouldn't be able to do anything?


And your mob are supposed to be boxing fans? Something that provides people opportunities to learn and grow as human beings. It seems like you want social apartheid and wouldn't actually want to engage with anyone unless they had a suit on. Plenty of people in private homes have ridiculous numbers of children, are violent, deal and sell drugs. What the fuck is your problem with the working class that you would have to demonize anyone not like you?

[Gandalf]

Back on the topic of the London Tower people. Well my views are simple. I don't think people have a right to own property overseas and not be living or working in the country. It's a law that should change immediately. London is not English, but I would sooner homes go to the middle class and poor who actually live and work in the city than some anonymous group of super rich who are never anywhere to be seen. It's like nationalising key services, the land of the UK is for British people and you shouldn't even need to give compensation totalling more than the raw materials and labour used to make the building.

I guess that will then make me a Communist according to some. You can't win!

[Beanz]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

Trust me. If you put 30 estate families in my building with their petty crime, smoking, weed etc, then things would turn to shit pretty quickly. Sometimes 'diversity' is the last thing you need. Let a lawyer into the building and maybe he can have a kid, but a lawyer, plus 30 other families, 10 of them not even working, the others taking local jobs. It does not work and I wouldn't want them to try it. It would make life worse for the local population and it would make my life worse too. I don't want them. Thankfully those people mostly have no way of getting in.

Sorry to disappoint you Miles but you are in no way an independent thinker. This was your response. The Grenfull tower residents are estate families but apparently you don't want them being rehoused anywhere near people like you. Rather than being sent hundreds of miles away they are to be rehoused in social housing next to luxury flats and you are more worried about the rich people (many of them foreigners and many leaving them empty as land banking) in the luxury flats.