Ward/Kovalev 2...who wins?

[Primo Carnera]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

[Master]

[Batman]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

P4P rankings aka my top 10 favourite boxers at the moment.

[Ron Swanson]

Early numbers suggest Kovalevs whole side will walk with about 1.2 million. After promotional expenses, paying Kathy, paying manager, paying trainers, paying the tax man Kovalev will probably have less than 100k. Absolutely disgusting what they did to him.

[Hulk]

Early numbers suggest Kovalevs whole side will walk with about 1.2 million. After promotional expenses, paying Kathy, paying manager, paying trainers, paying the tax man Kovalev will probably have less than 100k. Absolutely disgusting what they did to him.

Think there's anyway he felt jobbed and pulled a Nicholas Walters move when the low blows and fight got tough?

[Master]

Early numbers suggest Kovalevs whole side will walk with about 1.2 million. After promotional expenses, paying Kathy, paying manager, paying trainers, paying the tax man Kovalev will probably have less than 100k. Absolutely disgusting what they did to him.

Think there's anyway he felt jobbed and pulled a Nicholas Walters move when the low blows and fight got tough?

Tim Witherspoon alleges he did the same thing against Bone Crusher Smith when he fought him a second time.

[erics44]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox

mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

[TitoFan]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox

mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

Wow.

[erics44]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox

mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

Wow.

not agree?

would tito have beaten lennox lewis?

[TitoFan]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox

mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

Wow.

not agree?

would tito have beaten lennox lewis?

No. Just like Ricky Hatton wouldn't have beaten John Ruiz.



But ok.... "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."

With your ironclad argument, you've nailed the case shut.

[erics44]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox

mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

Wow.

not agree?

would tito have beaten lennox lewis?

No. Just like Ricky Hatton wouldn't have beaten John Ruiz.



But ok.... "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."

With your ironclad argument, you've nailed the case shut.

I don't see anything coming back

tito wouldn't be in the top 100 heavies yet he was elite at his weight

[Dark Lord Al]

id have to say Ward.

[TitoFan]

I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently

but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?

I don't think so

fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.

man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox

mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

Wow.

not agree?

would tito have beaten lennox lewis?

No. Just like Ricky Hatton wouldn't have beaten John Ruiz.



But ok.... "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."

With your ironclad argument, you've nailed the case shut.

I don't see anything coming back

tito wouldn't be in the top 100 heavies yet he was elite at his weight

Hence the p4p arguments.



Look... the average fan gravitates a bit toward the bigger guys. But it doesn't make them "better boxers". Matter of fact, many times it's quite the opposite. Big guys know they can usually end fights with one punch. As a result, many heavyweights rely on headhunting, instead of mastering the sweet science. You look at some of these little guys and, while some like Chocolatito pack a pretty good punch, they have to be sharp boxers and combine speed with precise combinations. So to hear that "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers", it's just ludicrous. If pressed to choose, I'd say the opposite is true.

[Fenster]

the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants

in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough

Which is exactly why P4P exists. Tito couldn't beat Lennox, however, if they were equal size he maybe would slaughter him, maybe not, but at an equal starting point they are both great fighters.

Could Tito beat a decent standard heavyweight though? Yes. We have evidence throughout history of naturally smaller fighters outclassing bigger ones.

Could you, Eric, beat a decent heavyweight? No. You can box but don't possess the mental/physical ability to offset a naturally bigger stronger mans advantage.