Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[brocktonblockbust]

I didn't put you down, miles. With the chance of an education and commitment any literal English speaker could do your job. They might not be as good as you, they might be better, but regardless they could do it.

You have an abnormal predisposition to be upset by people that don't regard you as a unique special snowflake.

True, there are hundreds of thousands of excellent and talented teachers out there and people can dedicate themselves to it if they want to. I do the best I can, but I have my flaws like anyone. You do the best you can.

I am a unique and precious snowflake, Fenster. We all are. That other man is just angry though.

I don't think Miles is judging anybody at all I think too much is being read into his comments

[Gandalf]

I just said there are some hoodlums on council estates and I don't want to be around them. Then I defended being a teacher as the skill it is. It seemed to trigger Beanz.

[Beanz]

I just said there are some hoodlums on council estates and I don't want to be around them. Then I defended being a teacher as the skill it is. It seemed to trigger Beanz.

No you didn't. You say things like


"I went for a walk today and no kids hanging around the street corner, no syringes on the floor, no people walking rottweilers, no debris from gang violence. Lovely. Council estates are rough and problematic and the children from poor, broken families do not do as well in life. It's just the reality. I prefer to be around peace, civility, and people who don't call other people a cunt."


and then you act surprised ?


You said the same thing about re-homing the families affected by the fire. You would not want them in your block.

and I am the judgmental one ?

pair of jokers

[Gandalf]

I just said there are some hoodlums on council estates and I don't want to be around them. Then I defended being a teacher as the skill it is. It seemed to trigger Beanz.

No you didn't. You say things like


"I went for a walk today and no kids hanging around the street corner, no syringes on the floor, no people walking rottweilers, no debris from gang violence. Lovely. Council estates are rough and problematic and the children from poor, broken families do not do as well in life. It's just the reality. I prefer to be around peace, civility, and people who don't call other people a cunt."


and then you act surprised ?


You said the same thing about re-homing the families affected by the fire. You would not want them in your block.

and I am the judgmental one ?

pair of jokers

Earlier in the thread I said I wouldnt want to be around dodgy scallies in my building. Never once did I mention the people from Grenfell. It's fake information meant to make me look bad but it did not happen.

You are manipulating information. You are trolling me.

[Beanz]

I just said there are some hoodlums on council estates and I don't want to be around them. Then I defended being a teacher as the skill it is. It seemed to trigger Beanz.

No you didn't. You say things like


"I went for a walk today and no kids hanging around the street corner, no syringes on the floor, no people walking rottweilers, no debris from gang violence. Lovely. Council estates are rough and problematic and the children from poor, broken families do not do as well in life. It's just the reality. I prefer to be around peace, civility, and people who don't call other people a cunt."


and then you act surprised ?


You said the same thing about re-homing the families affected by the fire. You would not want them in your block.

and I am the judgmental one ?

pair of jokers

Earlier in the thread I said I wouldnt want to be around dodgy scallies in my building. Never once did I mention the people from Grenfell. It's fake information meant to make me look bad but it did not happen.

You are manipulating information. You are trolling me.

Trolling you ? what by replying to your posts in a thread? miles this is a thread about the Grenfell Tragedy. Who exactly did you think people where referring to when they said they did not even want them NEXT DOOR to their block?


and you have absolutely ripped in to people who live in council housing in the thread as though they were the very dregs of society. It's a load of bollocks.

[brocktonblockbust]

I just said there are some hoodlums on council estates and I don't want to be around them. Then I defended being a teacher as the skill it is. It seemed to trigger Beanz.

Beanz's likes to piss on other people's chips. That is his job in life to bring everybody down. If you say something good about yourself he has to go on his soapbox and get on his high horse and say how that is arrogant or self-aggrandizing. You just can't make this stuff up. He must have been constantly put down by his parents when he was being raised and now he is projecting that on to everybody else.

[Beanz]

I just said there are some hoodlums on council estates and I don't want to be around them. Then I defended being a teacher as the skill it is. It seemed to trigger Beanz.

Ben's likes to piss on other people's chips. That is his job in life to bring everybody down. If you say something good about yourself he has to go on his soapbox and get on his high horse and say how that is arrogant or self-aggrandizing. You just can't make this stuff up. He must have been constantly put down by his parents when he was being raised and now he is projecting that on to everybody else

Cut the amateur psychology bullshit and think about what you post. Nobody including me has a problem with people saying something good about themselves. Slagging off people purely because they are poor or live in a tower block etc is something entirely different. You both do it all the time. Dismiss whole swathes of people because in Miles case he actually thinks he is better, and in your case because you think it's what people want to hear. I am not triggered I am expressing my opinion and you can't handle anything but smoke being blown up your arse. It would be a bit weird if I had more sympathy for someone in a luxury apartment being allergic to homeless people being rehoused then fire victims, but that is you and Miles position not mine.

Your contribution to the entire forum is just the fuck everyone off for the sake of it like a three year old, it's hardly constructive.

[brocktonblockbust]

What have you got against free speech?

[Fenster]

I didn't put you down, miles. With the chance of an education and commitment any literal English speaker could do your job. They might not be as good as you, they might be better, but regardless they could do it.

You have an abnormal predisposition to be upset by people that don't regard you as a unique special snowflake.

True, there are hundreds of thousands of excellent and talented teachers out there and people can dedicate themselves to it if they want to. I do the best I can, but I have my flaws like anyone. You do the best you can.

I am a unique and precious snowflake, Fenster. We all are. That other man is just angry though.

I don't think Miles is judging anybody at all I think too much is being read into his comments

You don't think miles is judging people? You clearly wasn't following our discussion then because that's entirely what it was about.

He can speak for himself too, he doesn't need a wingman. When you say something it's down to you not anyone else. The same goes for Beanz, Lyle, me and every other person on this forum. I'm not in anyones bum-club/gang, i'm not right or left, liberal or conservative, pro/anti-Trump/Corbyn.

Depending on any particular subject I will disagree with people that I like/respect and at the same time think someone is a complete and utter wanker yet be in full agreement with them.

[Dia bando]

Today 75 buildings have so far failed there fire test it seems theses buildings are unsafe for human habitation truly I know people need a home but in fact how safe can you make a tower block.
The way the building went up in flames shit you dont stand much chance of getting out alive.

[Dia bando]

I didn't put you down, miles. With the chance of an education and commitment any literal English speaker could do your job. They might not be as good as you, they might be better, but regardless they could do it.

You have an abnormal predisposition to be upset by people that don't regard you as a unique special snowflake.

True, there are hundreds of thousands of excellent and talented teachers out there and people can dedicate themselves to it if they want to. I do the best I can, but I have my flaws like anyone. You do the best you can.

I am a unique and precious snowflake, Fenster. We all are. That other man is just angry though.

I don't think Miles is judging anybody at all I think too much is being read into his comments

You don't think miles is judging people? You clearly wasn't following our discussion then because that's entirely what it was about.

He can speak for himself too, he doesn't need a wingman. When you say something it's down to you not anyone else. The same goes for Beanz, Lyle, me and every other person on this forum. I'm not in anyones bum-club/gang, i'm not right or left, liberal or conservative, pro/anti-Trump/Corbyn.

Depending on any particular subject I will disagree with people that I like/respect and at the same time think someone is a complete and utter wanker yet be in full agreement with them.

Yes, I was judging the more nefarious elements found within council estates. You all know they exist. In America it is the ghetto, in the UK it is found in the council estate. I am not even sure why there is such a problem with me not wanting to be around the work shy, drug addicts or teenage mothers. I have never at any stage said that all people on housing estates are scum, or that they are all unemployed, or that they are all destined for failure or anything like that. Those were images conjured up by others. I merely stated that I don't like being around the bad people and I think most people would agree with that sentiment. Who threatens to stab a dog after trespassing through a garden and being barked at? Who likes drug dealers? Who wants a society that rewards teenage mothers yet makes it hard for sensible people don't have children straight away? Who wants hoodlums with nothing to do harrassing the public? It's not good, yet I am seemingly the bad guy to some because I criticise it. It's very strange.

Miles I agree with some of your points but mate I know many fine people on council estates,! mate do not forget your roots Mr Corbyn would be horrified with and your opinion lol.
Yes dead heads thick bastards etc nobody has the monopoly on theses people or were they live
I have meet plenty of bad people who really have nice house etc, which are not council house rats as some would call them.
Miles you are becoming a little bit of a snob nothing wrong in bettering yourself mate ! but remember dont have delusions of grandeur mate
Not everybody in society can aspire to your highs mate people are what they are not to our taste maybe whats the answer gas chambers.

[Fenster]

I'm not going through it all again

[Fenster]

I'm not going through it all again, miles.

And you wonder why people call each other a cunt. Why not? Anything else is a total waste of time.

Basically every debate on here consists of one person ranting about a group of people that piss them off, someone offers a different view, then a few dullards pop up to offer support to whomever their pal is without offering anything to the actual topic, then a whole bunch of boring ad hominem occurs.

No-one ever admits they were wrong or accepts someone has made a valid counter-point, no, it's just defend, defend, defend, defend until they convince themselves they're the poor persecuted "victim," they're being unfairly picked on for having an opinion.

Poor little ole me, all I said is ******, all I meant was ******, I never said all ******.

MAN UP!!! Cunts!!! Rotters!!!

[Beanz]

I would admit I was wrong if I thought I was, but I think most people would agree that having ruffians in the area makes it more difficult for everyone to live a decent life. Morrissey didn't write Rusholme Ruffians about making daisies in a field.

Dia, I don't think it is that I am forgetting my roots. I think part of the trouble is I remember those days too well and it has always left a bad impression on me. I remember the roots too well. I think the good people on a council estate despair of having a football hit their car despite the no ball games signs and a park just down the road, of the neighbor who plays noisy techno and smokes weed when they could just buy a pair of headphones, of the thug who gets young girls pregnant, all of that. It's not particularly snobbish to not want to be around it. I'm just an ordinary quiet bloke who likes that adult life is nothing like life as a kid.

Miles you sound like a character in a sketch show. Paul Whitehouse and Harry Enfield would have a field day

[TitoFan]

Some people have one group of "dullards" that comes to their defense...... other people have another group. The forum mirrors life, and is no different than any other debate in any other forum, and spills out into real life. So what else is new. However, some people ARE capable of admitting they're wrong about a certain point.... some people ARE capable of modifying their position, if shown the error of their thought process.... again..... just like real life. People given to being drama queens will continue to do so. People given to sit on an imaginary throne will continue to do so. Again.... what else is new. People who are prone to being intimidated by strong opinions and those who express them will continue to be intimidated, even in a forum. C'est la vie. Move on.