Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[Beanz]

Seriously guys I don't want to unnecessarily offend you, but you are so missing the point. This is about a UK tragedy that happened precisely people were valued less than private companies making a huge profit. This is what happens when people are conditioned to think of people in different circumstances than them as being fundamentally different "a burden". The fact is that the biggest demographic in the UK that rely on some kind of welfare are THE WORKING POOR. This is exaggerated further in London, and then again in a borough like Kensington and Chelsea, where foreign billionaires, many of whom don't actually occupy the properties they have invested in, drive the prices up to such an unrealistic level that the people who clean their apartments, the plumbers who install their bathrooms, the bus drivers who ferry the tourists around etc can not afford to rent a property for £4000 a month and so live in social housing. They are working. The rent is partly subsidized by the Government to make it affordable.


Then consider against this that the Government has been pushing an austerity agenda that has seen huge cuts to public services so that people working as civil servants, probation officers, court admin, fire and hospital service personnel have had not only their wages cut year on year, but their ability to respond. So the government this week who found billions for the Queen and some former protestant terrorists in Northern Ireland allowed councils to cut fire safety regulations and use inflammable cladding. They cut fire fighters wages and the former Tory mayor of London laughed about cutting the amount of fire engine vehicles etc, and now it turns out the council had millions of pounds of tax payers money in the bank. On top of that virtually every single social housing high rise building they have tested around the country is turning out to have used dangerous cut price materials to save money, have no sprinklers and often blocked or unusable fire escapes.

It's enormous. It is the result of an ideology in which the Queen and the MPS get a pay rise and ordinary working people are told there is no money. No money for doctors or nurses or veterans or the disabled or teachers or schools or hospitals, but millions of pounds of tax payers money in private developers pockets and bank accounts who could not even be bothered to use materials for a few pounds extra that would resist fire.

It has nothing to do with Welfare and that is why being worried about the property rights of some rich bastard who does not want the working poor living NEXT DOOR is so offensive. In the grand scheme of things it matters little and they have no right to dictate such nonsense.

[El Kabong]

Seriously guys I don't want to unnecessarily offend you, but you are so missing the point. This is about a UK tragedy that happened precisely people were valued less than private companies making a huge profit. This is what happens when people are conditioned to think of people in different circumstances than them as being fundamentally different "a burden". The fact is that the biggest demographic in the UK that rely on some kind of welfare are THE WORKING POOR. This is exaggerated further in London, and then again in a borough like Kensington and Chelsea, where foreign billionaires, many of whom don't actually occupy the properties they have invested in, drive the prices up to such an unrealistic level that the people who clean their apartments, the plumbers who install their bathrooms, the bus drivers who ferry the tourists around etc can not afford to rent a property for £4000 a month and so live in social housing. They are working. The rent is partly subsidized by the Government to make it affordable.


Then consider against this that the Government has been pushing an austerity agenda that has seen huge cuts to public services so that people working as civil servants, probation officers, court admin, fire and hospital service personnel have had not only their wages cut year on year, but their ability to respond. So the government this week who found billions for the Queen and some former protestant terrorists in Northern Ireland allowed councils to cut fire safety regulations and use inflammable cladding. They cut fire fighters wages and the former Tory mayor of London laughed about cutting the amount of fire engine vehicles etc, and now it turns out the council had millions of pounds of tax payers money in the bank. On top of that virtually every single social housing high rise building they have tested around the country is turning out to have used dangerous cut price materials to save money, have no sprinklers and often blocked or unusable fire escapes.

It's enormous. It is the result of an ideology in which the Queen and the MPS get a pay rise and ordinary working people are told there is no money. No money for doctors or nurses or veterans or the disabled or teachers or schools or hospitals, but millions of pounds of tax payers money in private developers pockets and bank accounts who could not even be bothered to use materials for a few pounds extra that would resist fire.

It has nothing to do with Welfare and that is why being worried about the property rights of some rich bastard who does not want the working poor living NEXT DOOR is so offensive. In the grand scheme of things it matters little and they have no right to dictate such nonsense.

Well ACTUALLY the thread was started by smashup who compared 9/11 to Grenfell tower and pondered as to why one kept standing and the other collapsed, the other being the WTC.



But the thread was hijacked to talk only about the poor people in 1 event and not a comparison of the two events....IF we're being honest and not playing revisionist history about this, but I suppose I'll be lectured about this response as well.

[Beanz]

Seriously guys I don't want to unnecessarily offend you, but you are so missing the point. This is about a UK tragedy that happened precisely people were valued less than private companies making a huge profit. This is what happens when people are conditioned to think of people in different circumstances than them as being fundamentally different "a burden". The fact is that the biggest demographic in the UK that rely on some kind of welfare are THE WORKING POOR. This is exaggerated further in London, and then again in a borough like Kensington and Chelsea, where foreign billionaires, many of whom don't actually occupy the properties they have invested in, drive the prices up to such an unrealistic level that the people who clean their apartments, the plumbers who install their bathrooms, the bus drivers who ferry the tourists around etc can not afford to rent a property for £4000 a month and so live in social housing. They are working. The rent is partly subsidized by the Government to make it affordable.


Then consider against this that the Government has been pushing an austerity agenda that has seen huge cuts to public services so that people working as civil servants, probation officers, court admin, fire and hospital service personnel have had not only their wages cut year on year, but their ability to respond. So the government this week who found billions for the Queen and some former protestant terrorists in Northern Ireland allowed councils to cut fire safety regulations and use inflammable cladding. They cut fire fighters wages and the former Tory mayor of London laughed about cutting the amount of fire engine vehicles etc, and now it turns out the council had millions of pounds of tax payers money in the bank. On top of that virtually every single social housing high rise building they have tested around the country is turning out to have used dangerous cut price materials to save money, have no sprinklers and often blocked or unusable fire escapes.

It's enormous. It is the result of an ideology in which the Queen and the MPS get a pay rise and ordinary working people are told there is no money. No money for doctors or nurses or veterans or the disabled or teachers or schools or hospitals, but millions of pounds of tax payers money in private developers pockets and bank accounts who could not even be bothered to use materials for a few pounds extra that would resist fire.

It has nothing to do with Welfare and that is why being worried about the property rights of some rich bastard who does not want the working poor living NEXT DOOR is so offensive. In the grand scheme of things it matters little and they have no right to dictate such nonsense.

Well ACTUALLY the thread was started by smashup who compared 9/11 to Grenfell tower and pondered as to why one kept standing and the other collapsed, the other being the WTC.



But the thread was hijacked to talk only about the poor people in 1 event and not a comparison of the two events....IF we're being honest and not playing revisionist history about this, but I suppose I'll be lectured about this response as well.

Uh...Ok


Don't know what happened to the other Grenfell thread. Don't think there is a lot of mileage in comparing the WTC and Grenfell events though.

[brocktonblockbust]

What toss pot rubbish from a crumpet wanking sod.

[Beanz]

Actually I made an error in one of my previous posts. It turns out that it's not virtually every building tested that has failed the fire safety tests. It is actually EVERY building of the 65 checked so far

"Sixty high-rise buildings in 25 local authority areas have failed cladding fire tests, with every sample so far assessed falling short of the safety threshold.
Substandard cladding has been found on social housing across England, from Plymouth, Norwich and Manchester to Sunderland and Stockton-on-Tees.
Last week Theresa May promised an emergency assessment of up to 100 buildings a day, but the alarming results, and the 100 per cent failure rate of the high-priority samples so far, have prompted calls for the testing process to be accelerated....."


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...test-2shpk0ddw

[brocktonblockbust]

What is your obsession with this? There are fires everyday in all urban and other areas? What has touched off your activism.so hotly with this? Ffs 79 people FUCK!!! 440.Chinese were.just.crushed by faulty construction in Fujian Province and NOT A FUCKING PEEP FROM YOUR ASS. #ChineseLivesMatter

[El Kabong]

I'M SO VERY VERY SORRY IF MY QUESTION OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OK TO DO THESE DAYS

So the "borough councils" they have money due to taxes or what?

[Beanz]

Wow

[Beanz]

I'M SO VERY VERY SORRY IF MY QUESTION OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OK TO DO THESE DAYS

So the "borough councils" they have money due to taxes or what?

Yes it's called "council tax" and everyone pays it whether they are in private or council housing but at different rates. Rebates were given to the rich. Rob from the poor give to the rich.


The Conservative council responsible for the tower block where at least 79 people died in a fire described by the mayor of London as preventable has stockpiled £274m of reserves and offered rebates to residents paying the top rate of council tax.

According to the latest accounts, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ran a budget surplus, which Labour councillors have claimed was being used as a slush fund to bribe voters with a rebate close to elections.
A draft statement of Kensington and Chelsea’s accounts for 2016-17 disclosed that the council has an “AA” credit rating and a financial standing described as robust, with “usable reserves at 31 March 2017 of £274m (£300m at 31 March 2016

The council has been relieved of responsibility for taking care of the survivors of the disaster, having struggled to cope with the aftermath of the deadly blaze. A new Grenfell fire response team, made up of representatives from central government, the British Red Cross, the Metropolitan police, London-wide local and regional government and the London fire brigade, will now coordinate efforts.....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...budget-surplus