Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[Beanz]

How can the pair of you be so offended by the reporting of facts ? What is wrong with you both that you would want so badly to start a fight in a thread like this. It's all just a joke for you two then is it?

[Beanz]

I'M SO VERY VERY SORRY IF MY QUESTION OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OK TO DO THESE DAYS

So the "borough councils" they have money due to taxes or what?

Yes it's called "council tax" and everyone pays it whether they are in private or council housing but at different rates. Rebates were given to the rich. Rob from the poor give to the rich.


The Conservative council responsible for the tower block where at least 79 people died in a fire described by the mayor of London as preventable has stockpiled £274m of reserves and offered rebates to residents paying the top rate of council tax.

According to the latest accounts, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ran a budget surplus, which Labour councillors have claimed was being used as a slush fund to bribe voters with a rebate close to elections.
A draft statement of Kensington and Chelsea’s accounts for 2016-17 disclosed that the council has an “AA” credit rating and a financial standing described as robust, with “usable reserves at 31 March 2017 of £274m (£300m at 31 March 2016

The council has been relieved of responsibility for taking care of the survivors of the disaster, having struggled to cope with the aftermath of the deadly blaze. A new Grenfell fire response team, made up of representatives from central government, the British Red Cross, the Metropolitan police, London-wide local and regional government and the London fire brigade, will now coordinate efforts.....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...budget-surplus

[El Kabong]

Wow

Only asking a question thanks

How can the pair of you be so offended by the reporting of facts ? What is wrong with you both that you would want so badly to start a fight in a thread like this. It's all just a joke for you two then is it?

I'm not offended you shmuck I'm asking a fucking question and you just can't wait to clutch your fucking pearls every single fucking time.


I asked the question BECAUSE.....you know what, forget it, forget I asked anything, I am fucking finished communicating with you at all, I've had it you're too much of a pussy to be talked to.

[El Kabong]

I'M SO VERY VERY SORRY IF MY QUESTION OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OK TO DO THESE DAYS

So the "borough councils" they have money due to taxes or what?

Yes it's called "council tax" and everyone pays it whether they are in private or council housing but at different rates. Rebates were given to the rich. Rob from the poor give to the rich.


The Conservative council responsible for the tower block where at least 79 people died in a fire described by the mayor of London as preventable has stockpiled £274m of reserves and offered rebates to residents paying the top rate of council tax.

According to the latest accounts, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ran a budget surplus, which Labour councillors have claimed was being used as a slush fund to bribe voters with a rebate close to elections.
A draft statement of Kensington and Chelsea’s accounts for 2016-17 disclosed that the council has an “AA” credit rating and a financial standing described as robust, with “usable reserves at 31 March 2017 of £274m (£300m at 31 March 2016

The council has been relieved of responsibility for taking care of the survivors of the disaster, having struggled to cope with the aftermath of the deadly blaze. A new Grenfell fire response team, made up of representatives from central government, the British Red Cross, the Metropolitan police, London-wide local and regional government and the London fire brigade, will now coordinate efforts.....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...budget-surplus

Too late


go fuck yourself

[El Kabong]

Tito, please answer these questions.
a) Would you like to have bum sex with a man?

b) Would you be happy with a council estate neighbor who has 6 children, no father figure, and smokes weed while claiming disability despite having nothing more than a cooked up doctors paper while you dutifully go to work everyday, have no kids and are a dedicated partner?

Please get off the fence and answer these pertinent questions truthfully. Same to you Beanz.

I will answer for you even though neither has fuck all to do with the thread.

a) Not really...but


What does that have to do with anything? Gay people don't want to bum you or other straight people, and many probably have no wish to bum each other.(most lesbians for starters) Plenty of straight men bum their wives and lovers and they have other options, so using your rational they must be even more "abnormal". Many straight men will stick their Johnson in anything including water melons, chopped meat and apple pie so are they "abnormal".


b) I have had some great neighbours and some truly horrendous ones. The worst were those in privately owned houses and the best were those who lived in Council housing. Who cares? It's quite an offensive post though and I will tell you why. It assumes that they are somehow representative of people living on council estates and the disabled. The vast majority of the disabled in this country are genuine. They have died in large numbers over the last few years because of austerity measures imposed by those who think like you. So much so that I have actually seen a blind person with their guide dog having to fight for their allowance so that they could carry on working. It's beyond callous, and the worry of what is a tiny percentage of shysters ripping off the system has seen scores of genuinely disabled people fucked over. Not only throwing out the baby with the bath water but paying medically untrained American companies to overturn doctors decisions and actually cost the tax payer more in overturned appeal decisions, than the money they could have saved if they simply helped more disabled to work.


I am not going to go into great detail but you have said this for years because you seem to have no genuine understanding of what it's like to be disabled or how dearly most disabled people would love to work.


I feel passionately about this because ATOS an American company, declared me unfit to work and I lost my job in the civil service and then the same American company 6 weeks later ruled that I was fit to work and should receive no help.I found work myself by retraining to be a student support worker and funding the qualifications myself. Technically according to most criteria ( my GP and several consultants) I would be considered disabled, but not according to the company the government use to asses. I don't claim disability and never have.

I am not alone there are many much worse off than me and sweeping generalizations like you used above do not help things.

a) Hey, no buts....or do you mean no butts? Either way thank you for confirming that you do think it is somewhat irregular behavior.

b) You are speaking a lot about the disabled there. The fact that she has so many children and no father figure is also problematic too. I have known people who have claimed disability for years and there has been nothing seriously wrong or anything stopping them getting a job. A lot of people don't want to work Beanz and given the choice many wouldn't. I don't think it is offensive to say that. I think many able bodied people given the choice of working or not working would probably prefer not to be working too. You have people with anxiety disorders saying that they cannot work, but are they even getting the CBT they need, have they considered giving up alcohol, have they even looked for a job not dealing with the general public? I have an anxiety disorder, but I get out there and work in front of lots of people. Not sure why this particular woman would be getting a free pass to do nothing, while others have to earn money then pay their taxes towards her lifestyle choices.

Before you call me a selfish Tory, I am obviously not a selfish Tory, I just think society is about everyone working hard and making better choices together. It isn't just about giving to people no questions asked. Obviously more serious conditions like having brain damage, or missing limbs complicates issues and I am far more understanding. I am not callous, just quite aware that some take the mickey as with teenage Mums and some on disability.

In terms of what is going on with the buildings around the UK. Well, it is quite shocking. What kind of country do you have going on there? No money but 1.5 billion to buy a handful of DUP votes? There should be an immediate election to get this sorted once and for all. The public should be in outrage and protesting about the buying of DUP votes while people around the country are put in danger and told 'There is no money tree'. The Tories are done.

I've reported you to the Mods.










You're clearly making a play for me, I won't abide this while you're still with walrus....you can't play with a person's heart like that!

[walrus]

In the us the ssi disability is abused to the point many who are on it make a joke about. Billions a year are wasted on it. Doctors have been busted for rubber stamp approval and bribes. Having said that I've worked in the mental health field for years. I've brought dozens of disabled for ssdi (that's what it's called here) and I was happy they got approved. I am glad our country has a safety net for the disabled. Many countries you are on your own and ostracized. I saw it in china 🇨🇳 and it tugged at my ❤️ heart. We have a multi billion dollar industry built around care for the disabled. I'm all for it I'd just like to see it properly applied and
Much less abuse.

[El Kabong]

In the us the ssi disability is abused to the point many who are on it make a joke about. Billions a year are wasted on it. Doctors have been busted for rubber stamp approval and bribes. Having said that I've worked in the mental health field for years. I've brought dozens of disabled for ssdi (that's what it's called here) and I was happy they got approved. I am glad our country has a safety net for the disabled. Many countries you are on your own and ostracized. I saw it in china 🇨🇳 and it tugged at my ❤️ heart. We have a multi billion dollar industry built around care for the disabled. I'm all for it I'd just like to see it properly applied and
Much less abuse.

Such HATE filled words.....Ashley Judd is going to send you a Nasty-gram!

[smashup]

Woman with 4 little kids has been moved into a single room with 2 beds pushed together and a 2 ring hob to cook on.
Piers Morgan is pretty much leading an all out attack on those responsible on the Good Morning Britain breakfast show and is brutally brilliant the way he verbally destroys them.
He asked the new housing minister the other day if the cladding was illegal and the guy said "I don't know".

Pretty sure its his job to know.

He (Morgan) says there are so many grey areas and get outs when it comes to blaming someone for using this cladding that it's likely to take years in court and virtually impossible to pinpoint who to prosecute.

[Fenster]

please answer these questions.
a) Would you like to have bum sex with a man?

So it's only bum sex between men you find disgusting? Why didn't you say that before?

Bum sex with a woman = normal.

Bum sex with a man = abnormal.

How about if two women engage in bum sex? Normal or abnormal?

[Fenster]

Some people have one group of "dullards" that comes to their defense...... other people have another group. The forum mirrors life, and is no different than any other debate in any other forum. So what else is new. Again.... what else is new. C'est la vie. Move on.

Yeah that's what I said. Hence - "I'm not repeating myself all over again"

[Beanz]

Tito, please answer these questions.
a) Would you like to have bum sex with a man?

b) Would you be happy with a council estate neighbor who has 6 children, no father figure, and smokes weed while claiming disability despite having nothing more than a cooked up doctors paper while you dutifully go to work everyday, have no kids and are a dedicated partner?

Please get off the fence and answer these pertinent questions truthfully. Same to you Beanz.

I will answer for you even though neither has fuck all to do with the thread.

a) Not really...but


What does that have to do with anything? Gay people don't want to bum you or other straight people, and many probably have no wish to bum each other.(most lesbians for starters) Plenty of straight men bum their wives and lovers and they have other options, so using your rational they must be even more "abnormal". Many straight men will stick their Johnson in anything including water melons, chopped meat and apple pie so are they "abnormal".


b) I have had some great neighbours and some truly horrendous ones. The worst were those in privately owned houses and the best were those who lived in Council housing. Who cares? It's quite an offensive post though and I will tell you why. It assumes that they are somehow representative of people living on council estates and the disabled. The vast majority of the disabled in this country are genuine. They have died in large numbers over the last few years because of austerity measures imposed by those who think like you. So much so that I have actually seen a blind person with their guide dog having to fight for their allowance so that they could carry on working. It's beyond callous, and the worry of what is a tiny percentage of shysters ripping off the system has seen scores of genuinely disabled people fucked over. Not only throwing out the baby with the bath water but paying medically untrained American companies to overturn doctors decisions and actually cost the tax payer more in overturned appeal decisions, than the money they could have saved if they simply helped more disabled to work.


I am not going to go into great detail but you have said this for years because you seem to have no genuine understanding of what it's like to be disabled or how dearly most disabled people would love to work.


I feel passionately about this because ATOS an American company, declared me unfit to work and I lost my job in the civil service and then the same American company 6 weeks later ruled that I was fit to work and should receive no help.I found work myself by retraining to be a student support worker and funding the qualifications myself. Technically according to most criteria ( my GP and several consultants) I would be considered disabled, but not according to the company the government use to asses. I don't claim disability and never have.

I am not alone there are many much worse off than me and sweeping generalizations like you used above do not help things.

a) Hey, no buts....or do you mean no butts? Either way thank you for confirming that you do think it is somewhat irregular behavior.

b) You are speaking a lot about the disabled there. The fact that she has so many children and no father figure is also problematic too. I have known people who have claimed disability for years and there has been nothing seriously wrong or anything stopping them getting a job. A lot of people don't want to work Beanz and given the choice many wouldn't. I don't think it is offensive to say that. I think many able bodied people given the choice of working or not working would probably prefer not to be working too. You have people with anxiety disorders saying that they cannot work, but are they even getting the CBT they need, have they considered giving up alcohol, have they even looked for a job not dealing with the general public? I have an anxiety disorder, but I get out there and work in front of lots of people. Not sure why this particular woman would be getting a free pass to do nothing, while others have to earn money then pay their taxes towards her lifestyle choices.

Before you call me a selfish Tory, I am obviously not a selfish Tory, I just think society is about everyone working hard and making better choices together. It isn't just about giving to people no questions asked. Obviously more serious conditions like having brain damage, or missing limbs complicates issues and I am far more understanding. I am not callous, just quite aware that some take the mickey as with teenage Mums and some on disability.

In terms of what is going on with the buildings around the UK. Well, it is quite shocking. What kind of country do you have going on there? No money but 1.5 billion to buy a handful of DUP votes? There should be an immediate election to get this sorted once and for all. The public should be in outrage and protesting about the buying of DUP votes while people around the country are put in danger and told 'There is no money tree'. The Tories are done.

Bollocks.

You can't even debate anymore Miles you have turned into an intellectual minnow. There is no co-relation to me not wanting to have bum sex and you considering Gay people to be abnormal. You have just completely ignored the salient points in the sentences following because they prove your premise to be terminally flawed. You have also just demonstrated exactly how lacking in empathy and self centered you are in your insistence on reducing disability to an excuse to scrounge. Why would you imagine i might choose to speak about the disabled in my reply to you?


Think about it.


Could it be perhaps because I am disabled or the fact that I am a carer for someone who is disabled and yet still work, or maybe it has something to do with working with disabled students to help them get a job. There are quite a lot of reasons there that I might find your attitude tiresome. I know that many people find it very uncomfortable to discuss or even acknowledge, and it's not like my entire forum posting revolves around discussing it. It is though a fact of life and something I can't log out of when I am not posting. The whole "poor life choices" thing is disgustingly offensive, way more so than somebody calling you a cunt. It is just another way of you saying I don't want to look at or acknowledge someone different . It's exactly the same blame culture that the Tories employ.

[Beanz]

Woman with 4 little kids has been moved into a single room with 2 beds pushed together and a 2 ring hob to cook on.
Piers Morgan is pretty much leading an all out attack on those responsible on the Good Morning Britain breakfast show and is brutally brilliant the way he verbally destroys them.
He asked the new housing minister the other day if the cladding was illegal and the guy said "I don't know".

Pretty sure its his job to know.

He (Morgan) says there are so many grey areas and get outs when it comes to blaming someone for using this cladding that it's likely to take years in court and virtually impossible to pinpoint who to prosecute.

According to Miles if she is a single mother it's her fault for making poor life choices. According to Brockton you are an obsessed left wing activist along with Piers Morgan for even giving a fuck about..."ffs 79 dead people "

Walrus thinks that he has a house "that may very well burn down to the ground" and Lyle is more worried about the property rights of some loaded cunt who does not want to see her chauffeur moving in next door.


What a bunch of cunts.

[Beanz]

Beanz, you said you don't do bum sex. The rest of it was you basically saying that other people do. You answered the question well enough with your initial response. In other words you are like me in that regard in that you don't think it is immoral, but you do not do it yourself.

It's just a fact that people make pretty poor choices too. I know I'm registered disabled because of my own pretty poor life choices. Actually I have a friend who has the same condition as you and has mostly healed/relieved it with osteo fx. Completely off the prescription meds. You might well have a mineral deficiency and a mineral deficiency is about poor choices as we are not giving the body what it needs. We often don't even know we are making poor decisions! Take people who eat bread when most people are gluten intolerant. Or those that drink alcohol. Or smokers like you. Malnutrition, stress and toxins cause a lot of disability and illness. Single Mums who give their kids sandwiches and coke are the worst! Bad decisions galore. Kids don't know any better. Unfortunately neither do most adults. All I say is 'Do not hurt the kids'. Anyway you might be mineral deficient.

Bollocks again. I think you are abnormal not Gay people.

How are you registered disabled?

Mineral deficiency has nothing to do with ankylosing spondylitis, Psoriatic Arthritis and a leaky heart valve, they are genetic hereditary conditions. I don't need your crappy supplements and am on no prescription meds. Free weights and body weight exercise helped me massively. If you had not assumed things and actually read posts you would know this. I have not smoked for about 5 years now either, which again if you took your head out of your backside would be quite clear. I am not registered because I choose to work, and the fact that I can would probably disqualify me. My Mrs had a brain haemorrhage from an aneurisym that likely developed because of being born with spina bifida. That has left her paralysed down her left hand side and with epilepsy. None of that has anything to do with bad life choices so you can shove your moralising up your arse.

[Memphis]

Whats your disability Miles?

[Beanz]

Your condition is an inflammation and fusing of the joints in the spine. Your inflammation is likely caused by age, malnutrition and toxins. My friend has exactly that and swears that it has made a huge difference. A very smart fellow who knows his lifestyle stuff. He no longer needs prescription medications. He turned me onto it knowing my ominous body condition. You are likely mineral deficient, most people are. There are ways to improve your heart too. Less anger would do it wonders!

I am registered disabled against my will, but it is what it is. Don't have a disabled sticker in my car or anything, but the government says I am until I am proven healthy for 5 years. Not much I can do about that really.

You could not be more wrong. Please don't lecture me on a condition that all my siblings bar one live with. Their diets are incredibly well managed and have been since birth. It has not stopped their spines fusing. Your die in comparison and by your own admission is a car crash. Supplements are not the answer.

What is your disability then?